|29th January 2008, 04:55 PM||#2|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Efhitis, thanks for posting these pictures. I saw the first inscription on many yatagans. Every time it was half erased and I could not make any sense out of it. For the first time I have seen it written very clearly.
The first inscription is:
Yemliha, Mekselina, Mislina, Mernuş, Debernuş, Şazenuş, Kefeştatayuş, Kıtmir
These are the names of Eshab-i Keyf (Seven Sleepers) and their dog. I have no idea what is the significance of putting these names on a yatagan. Maybe someone from the forum can help on this subject.
The second inscription:
Sinn-i ‘adaya ya Rabb bu bıçağı kıl nişan
Sahibini daima muzaffer eyle olsun ‘alişan
This is a little bit literally translation, but I hope it makes sense:
May God make this knife a sign on the bossom of enemy
May God make the owner of this knife always glorious and illustrious
The third inscription:
Ey Bari Hoda bihakk hesti
Şeş çiz meram der feresti
'ilm-e 'amel ferah desti
iman-e man ten dorosti 'abd-e Muhammed
This is written in Persian. Maybe someone who knows Persian firstly, can correct my transcription and then be able to translate it. I know it is quite impossible for a native Persian speaker to make sense out of Persian as written and spoken by Turks
The fourth inscription:
Sene ihda aşer ve mieteyn ve elf
amel-e Mehmed sahib El-hac Muhammed
Year 1211 (1796-97)
made by Mehmed, owner Pilgrim Muhammed
Last edited by Zifir : 29th January 2008 at 05:28 PM.
|3rd February 2008, 06:18 PM||#3|
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Chania Crete Greece
According to Manoucher, the persian inscription read:
Ey bāri Xodā be haq hasti
Šeš čiz marā madad feresti
Elm-o amal farāx dasti imān amān tandoristi-ye abd-e Mohammad
O God if you are the Almighty, you will provide me with six things: knowledge, action, generosity, faith, peace, and the health for the servants of [the Prophet] Mohammad
|3rd February 2008, 07:28 PM||#4|
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
I do not doubt Manoucher's linguistic precision. Because of that, I am somewhat confused: the word "if".
Does the supplicant leave open the possibility that his prayer is addressed not to the True Almighty God? Then, to whom?
Or, if to the God who is not Almighty, does it mean that the six requests is the maximum he is asking for ( but would be happy with, say, 3?)
Is this structure ("... if you are...") common in Islamic prayers?
|21st January 2009, 02:26 PM||#6|
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Atlanta, GA
Yannis, translation quote origin
Yannis, I think it was Yevgeny Yevtushenko, a russian poet and novelist.
Original quote I think was:
"Translation is like a woman. If it is beautiful, it is not faithful. If it is faithful, it is not beautiful."
He might've meant something else when he repeated "If it is faithful, it is not beautiful.", maybe his own conflict and faith, he was a traveling poet and a creative person who was not afraid to speak his mind during the soviet regime, so KGB reported some "anti-soviet" activity on his part, by that they probably meant his ability to talk about things that are not exactly in line with the popular at the time.
I like your version better, shorter.
Absolutely true and applies here perfectly
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