Kampilan to share

carlos · 7th July 2018, 04:38 PM

In my last trip to Toledo I saw this kampilan, not to sell, it was for personal collection of seller.
What do you think about this piece? Age ??
Thanks
Carlos

Sajen · 7th July 2018, 11:02 PM

Hello Carlos,

very recent IMVHO.

Regards,
Detlef

CharlesS · 7th July 2018, 11:46 PM

I am most inclined to agree with Sajen.

Robert · 8th July 2018, 12:47 AM

Unfortunately because of the quality of the workmanship I am inclined to believe that this is an example of where someone has taken an older item and has purposely added embellishments to it in an attempt to add to its overall desirability and value to a collector. This is only my personal opinion and I could be completely wrong in my assessment.

Best,
Robert

Battara · 8th July 2018, 01:06 AM

I'm with you Sajen and Charles. The wood carvings, the metal, MOP, and bone(?) are recent, meant to enhance or rip off, unfortunately.

Only the blade might be old.

carlos · 8th July 2018, 07:59 AM

Thank very much. The sword is in a shop in Toledo. 3 or 4 years ago the sword was to sell, but now is only for display.
Thanks again.
Carlos

Sajen · 8th July 2018, 09:44 AM

Hello Carlos,

you handled it, what you think yourself?

Regards,
Detlef

carlos · 8th July 2018, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Carlos,

you handled it, what you think yourself?

Regards,
Detlef

When It was in my hands my first idea was the handle was too new, without patina and marks.

Ian · 9th July 2018, 12:09 AM

As noted by Jose, the blade appears to be the oldest part of this piece. The hilt and cross-guard, while newer in appearance, do seem consistent for the most part with the general decorative style of the Lake Lanao region. The grip is highly atypical and possibly a one-only piece, but the bifurcated pommel is a traditional style and the carving is good. However, the bone and metal decorations are not consistent with older styles--although pieces of bone and metal were occasionally used to decorate old kampilan hilts, those materials were not used in the manner shown here. The horse hair is obviously very recent. From its appearance I think the hilt was made after 1990, and probably sometime this century.

7th July 2018, 04:38 PM	#1
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	Kampilan to share In my last trip to Toledo I saw this kampilan, not to sell, it was for personal collection of seller. What do you think about this piece? Age ?? Thanks Carlos Attached Images

7th July 2018, 11:02 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,415	Hello Carlos, very recent IMVHO. Regards, Detlef

7th July 2018, 11:46 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I am most inclined to agree with Sajen.

8th July 2018, 12:47 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Unfortunately because of the quality of the workmanship I am inclined to believe that this is an example of where someone has taken an older item and has purposely added embellishments to it in an attempt to add to its overall desirability and value to a collector. This is only my personal opinion and I could be completely wrong in my assessment. Best, Robert

8th July 2018, 01:06 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I'm with you Sajen and Charles. The wood carvings, the metal, MOP, and bone(?) are recent, meant to enhance or rip off, unfortunately. Only the blade might be old.

8th July 2018, 07:59 AM	#6
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	Thank very much. The sword is in a shop in Toledo. 3 or 4 years ago the sword was to sell, but now is only for display. Thanks again. Carlos

8th July 2018, 09:44 AM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,415	Hello Carlos, you handled it, what you think yourself? Regards, Detlef

9th July 2018, 12:09 AM	#9
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	As noted by Jose, the blade appears to be the oldest part of this piece. The hilt and cross-guard, while newer in appearance, do seem consistent for the most part with the general decorative style of the Lake Lanao region. The grip is highly atypical and possibly a one-only piece, but the bifurcated pommel is a traditional style and the carving is good. However, the bone and metal decorations are not consistent with older styles--although pieces of bone and metal were occasionally used to decorate old kampilan hilts, those materials were not used in the manner shown here. The horse hair is obviously very recent. From its appearance I think the hilt was made after 1990, and probably sometime this century.