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Old 6th December 2015, 04:59 PM   #1
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Hi Guys,

A recent thread was so interesting that i decided to post a thread on Ottoman holsters. I will post some examples later and I also got two of them on their ways to home...
Please, if you have some or just pictures, don't hesitate to post them...
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Old 6th December 2015, 05:00 PM   #2
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Old 6th December 2015, 05:02 PM   #3
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Old 6th December 2015, 05:07 PM   #5
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and to finish a pic from the previous post
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Another rare item that at one time was quite common.
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Old 6th December 2015, 06:21 PM   #7
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Hi Kubur.
I almost wish you had not started this Thread. It reminds me that I still need two of these Kuburluks for my collection. Sadly, all I have is my custom made replica for field use. Which works fine for that purpose. But I need one for two pistols, and another for a single pistol. But when they do come up for sale the sellers tend to price them very expensive. Actually, the Kuburluks for a single pistol are much harder to locate. Great photos above. Thanks for starting this Thread. Can't wait till you post photos of yours.
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A few more.
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Old 6th December 2015, 08:29 PM   #9
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Hi Guys,

I'm so happy to see that i' not the only one to be excited by this topic!
Thanks for the photos, more infos for our database.
Question: some kuburluk are closed at the base, is it to protect them from the dust?
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Old 6th December 2015, 09:03 PM   #10
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Let me add some examples.
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Prints.
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Question: some kuburluk are closed at the base, is it to protect them from the dust?


Kuber, I see a lot of French saddle holsters that are closed at the bottom, the one image I showed, while not an Ottoman style was given to HRH General George William Frederick Charles, 2nd Duke of Cambridge by Abdul Mejid, Sultan of Turkey, following the Crimean War (1854-1856) to express his appreciation of the Duke's services. I am adding a few more examples as well.

Crimean War period Turkish senior officer’s saddle pommel holster. This was originally one of a matching pair that buckled, on either side of the saddle pommel, with a sheepskin cover. As well, could be straped to the cross-belt. Dress-holsters such as these continued to be used, well into the 1908.


Ottoman saddle holsters for flint lock pistols, circa 1840, superbly cast and chased gilt bronze mounts with the high raised relief seal representing the Ottoman Empire, crescent moons and star of David.


Perhaps the ones the enclosed kuberluk are copying this style.
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Old 7th December 2015, 07:33 AM   #13
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Actually we can make a distinction between 2 types of holsters. One is for the men, the other is for the horses (or camels!). Bellow are photos showing how they were placed on the saddle.
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Actually we can make a distinction between 2 types of holsters. One is for the men, the other is for the horses (or camels!). Bellow are photos showing how they were placed on the saddle.

Excellent photos!! Here are a couple more.
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There are also some other relevant items! These are the cloth made covers that protect teh pistol when is inside the selahlik (weapon s belt)
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There are also some other relevant items! These are the cloth made covers that protect teh pistol when is inside the selahlik (weapon s belt)
I have never heard of or seen these before, now we need a seperate thread on selahlik/silahlik weapons belts, another interesting but rarely seen accesory.
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I have never heard of or seen these before, now we need a seperate thread on selahlik/silahlik weapons belts, another interesting but rarely seen accesory.


Hi

I agree, please let me start.

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Maybe a thread on firearms related accessories is needed (ramrods, powder flasks, bullet molds, lead ladles etc).
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Old 10th December 2015, 03:23 PM   #20
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Many of these look Very European in styling.(18th C) Only differing in decoration, plus English /European holsters were only really used when mounted, not carried on the person as far as I am aware.

Very nice to see and thanks for all the photos!
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Old 10th December 2015, 08:37 PM   #21
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Niko Tzavella's holsters.
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Old 11th December 2015, 07:35 AM   #22
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Just arrived!
One Ottoman, Syria/Turkey, early or mid-19 th c.
The other, Moroccan, end of 19th c.

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That's very pretty embroidery work, Kabur!
Still in very nice order.
Now, what have you to put in them to show us?
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these belts reminded me of:
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This painting is certainly not a realistic one! Western painters often painted without traveling to the foreign lands. They would buy exotic oriental weapons and dress from travelers or shops , and put them on models, without knowing the way (and quantity) that was used.
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it's a joke painting making fun of all the paintings showing fierce warriors posed with many weapons shoved willy-nilly into their belts. it's a palace guard asleep on duty being tickles by a child with a long rod. it's posted elsewhere here on the forum, titled 'palace'.
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Just arrived!
One Ottoman, Syria/Turkey, early or mid-19 th c.
The other, Moroccan, end of 19th c.

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Nice examples, do you have any kuber to put in your new kuberluk?
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Thanks all for your kind comments and yesss I have to put something inside!
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Thanks all for your kind comments and yesss I have to put something inside!

Hi Kubur!
Been away from the Forum for a while. Too many year end business meetings, shopping, parties, etc. Whew!!
As per your quote above.....No need to go to all that trouble. Just send the Kuburluks to me. I have a variety of pistols that will fit. Save you the trouble. LOL!!!
Seriously, those holsters look great. The Moroccan pattern you don't often see. The Ottoman holster looks to be in super condition. Is that the matching shoulder strap ?
You asked a question earlier about closed vs open muzzle ends on these holsters. The closed ends would offer more weather protection, but would likely be made for a more specific length of barrel. Could be the closed end holsters were made at the same time an order for the the pistols were made, so an exact fit. The open end holsters had the advantage of accepting almost any length of barrel. That's how I view them.

Everyone: Thanks for all the GREAT photos above. Wonderful examples.

I do have a lead for a Kuburluk for a single pistol. I'm going to see if I can secure it for a reasonable price. If I'm successful, I'll post photos here.

Meantime, all I have is my useable replica.
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Another one found on Google...
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