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Old 27th June 2012, 12:03 AM   #1
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Dear members ,

Would love to get your comments on this keris .

It s a 24 cm long keris which could be classified into the patrem section .
The previous owner gave me these details :
Bought in 2009 in the palace Kasepuhan Cirebon

1. Dapur : Pandawa Keprabon
2. Tangguh : Cirebon Sepuh
3. Pamor : Pedaringan kebak
4. Warangka : gaya cirebon "kudup kenanga"

The blade fit perfectly into the sheath , aged patina really nice .
Ganja is matching in shape but not the same pamor .... is that unusual for this kind of keris ?

Difficult with the keris on hand to confirm the age of this one but would love to get your comments . Not sure the 300 to 400 years old announced by previous owner are into the brackets !!
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Old 27th June 2012, 12:38 AM   #2
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Ganja is normal for such pamor (to balanced, aesthetically).
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Old 27th June 2012, 08:04 AM   #3
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Nice piece but from the proportions (long ganja and wide sogokan as compared to the blade, almost no slorok) I wonder whether the blade was shortened and narrowed? I attach the picture of another patrem for comparison.
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Old 27th June 2012, 08:25 AM   #4
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Thank you for your replies . Jean , after close viewing I can t see any trace of reshaping / welding ...Pamor is quite constant and flow naturally . May be the maker has got this design in mind ...?
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Old 27th June 2012, 11:51 AM   #5
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Thank you for your replies . Jean , after close viewing I can t see any trace of reshaping / welding ...Pamor is quite constant and flow naturally . May be the maker has got this design in mind ...?


Hello Henri,
This is just my opinion and I do not pretend to be right but the ratio between the lenght of the blade and the ganja seems outside the pakem. Attached is the picture of a patrem kris with a re-shaped old blade which is more visible than yours as the 7th luk is missing (skeleton blade as says Alan). Opinions from others will be welcome.....
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Old 27th June 2012, 01:32 PM   #6
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This is just my opinion and I do not pretend to be right but the ratio between the lenght of the blade and the ganja seems outside the pakem.

From my experience keris patrem are often not the most perfectly created blades. I would not be surprised to find proportions somewhat off a bit in the execution of any patrem.
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