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Old 18th April 2012, 12:32 PM   #1
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Default German sword of late 16th century: model identification

Hello,

Please, do you know what is the exact model of this German sword dating to the late 16th century ?

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Old 18th April 2012, 01:45 PM   #2
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Hi Jean-Marc
Why not a couple more pictures ?
... That would help to ID the sword and also make us happy to appreciate it
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Old 19th April 2012, 06:40 PM   #3
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Hi JM,

nice sword with single edged blade?
from about 1585 to about 1620 knuckle guards of some types of hilts ends in a disc of greater diameter than the breadth of the quard, like the sword you posted.
The hilt is a good example of norman type 13(probably 1515 onwards)
the first illustration of this type named by Norman in The Rapier and Small-sword is a drawing known as "Aneli mit dem prunkschwert" by Urs Graf dated 1518.
However, the pommel of this sword, Norman pommel type 30, points to a later date namely , pommel type 30 came in the first quarter of the seventeenth century.

it is therefore likely that the sword is also out of the first quarter of the 17thc.

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Old 19th April 2012, 06:49 PM   #4
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Hi Cornelistromp,

Thanks for all the details on this sword.

Here are a couple of additional pics of it.

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Old 19th April 2012, 07:05 PM   #5
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Also, any information on dagger shown on pics is welcome (Nuremberg, ca. 1580)...
Size 25 cm

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Old 19th April 2012, 07:17 PM   #6
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Ah, it is a late developement of the dussage! the dating remains, first quarter of 17thC.


to say something sensible about the dagger you really need to post better pictures.

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Ok Cornelistromp. Thanks. Will do.
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I do. The dagger should be Nuremberg, ca. 1580 (Germany).
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You are right Fernando. Thanks.
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Old 19th April 2012, 09:37 PM   #10
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thanks for the pictures, this dagger looks good! , I must only confess that I don't understand the allocation to Nurnberg....... why Nurnberg?
I know this type of etching only on arms from Augsburg around 1560-1580.

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Hi Cornelistromp,

Thanks for the interesting comments on dagger. Augsburg and Nuremberg are two cities which are both in Bavaria, Germany. This indicates this is a Bavarian dagger of the renaissance period. I bought this dagger at 'Historica Arma' in Germany (the seller said it is probably Nuremberg).

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Old 20th April 2012, 11:19 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Jean-Marc S.
Hi Cornelistromp,

Thanks for the interesting comments on dagger. Augsburg and Nuremberg are two cities which are both in Bavaria, Germany. This indicates this is a Bavarian dagger of the renaissance period. I bought this dagger at 'Historica Arma' in Germany (the seller said it is probably Nuremberg).

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Hi JM,

Yes, I have seen the dagger now at the website.
Some of the weapons are also offered on the website of Jurgen Fricker. For example, the basket hilt sword.

You can feel free to ask the opinion of weapons on a forum like this before you buy an Arm. Of course this is not everything but it helps.
Unfortunately it is often difficult based merely on photographs to say something definitive about the authenticity.
The level of "fakes" is so high that almost any specialist can be fooled.
I know plenty of practical examples, which I will not mention here.


Beyond that, it is always good to see a verifiable provenance, I mean not some noble house which can not been described in detail due to damage to reputation?!?!?
or offered by the widow of an A&A collector who is deceased and whose name can not be verified.

Also comfortable is a lifetime guarantee on authenticity.If the vendor is convinced of the authenticity, he will always give a guarantee!

In this trade much money is involved, unfortunately above has become necessary.

best,

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Indeed Cornelistromp. You are right...

Thanks for the advised comments.

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Old 21st April 2012, 09:55 AM   #14
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Indeed Cornelistromp. You are right...

Thanks for the advised comments.

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welcome,

In any case, my impression of the dagger is good!

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