DOUBLE HEAD EAGLE MARKED/ENGRAVED BLADES

Valjhun · 30th September 2010, 07:51 AM

Hi,

Recently I've became interested in those markings or engravings, asociated with blades manufactured in Austria.

The only themes on the forum I could find about thoose is:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ble+head+eagle
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=austria+sword

Can you post some photos of such marked/engraved blades?

Is there a research about that particular marking/engraving with precise atribution?

Thanks!

Jim McDougall · 1st October 2010, 06:46 AM

Sorry nobody has responded on this, so I'll have a go at it.

The double headed eagle is as you have shown, a recurring device in motif on sword blades, however it cannot be presumed that all motif with this type eagle signifies manufacture in Austria. This is decorative motif and not anything to do with makers or region of production so its important to keep that perspective.

There are occasions however, in which a stamped eagle could signify military acceptance or regimental issue as I discovered recently on a sword I thought was German, and a single head eagle, which turned out double headed and Austrian. Again, these were military associated stamps, not makers marks.
There are likely makers stamped markings using these eagles, but again, large inscribed motif is wholly different.

The double headed eagle was used by Austria, which actually was part of the Holy Roman Empire 1250-1806) as Austria-Hungary.

These double head eagles were also used by the Byzantine Empire, and later adopted by Russia .

The double headed eagle is symbolic of the Masonic Scottish Rite.

These are just a few of the possibilities, so I think it is important to look at the overall context, the entire sword it is found upon; other markings and motif included; as well as any other clues associated with the sword.

The threads you haved linked show great illustrations and information, but I realize you would like to see more examples, and I agree. Hopefully others will add examples showing the motif and sword itself and lets see if we can get a comprehensive look at variations!

All the best,
Jim

David · 1st October 2010, 01:46 PM

Well, it's just Wikipedia

,but this article will give you an idea of just how far flung this symbol is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle

Jim McDougall · 1st October 2010, 04:12 PM

Valjhun,
Any chance of seeing what the example of double head eagle you have posted is engraved on?

Valjhun · 2nd October 2010, 02:34 PM

Yes sure. The interesting thin is that it comes from a schiavona. I'll open a new thread.

Jim McDougall · 2nd October 2010, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valjhun

Yes sure. The interesting thin is that it comes from a schiavona. I'll open a new thread.

Thank you so much Valjhun.....lets all adjourn to the 'schivona with double headed eagle thread OK

30th September 2010, 07:51 AM	#1
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	DOUBLE HEAD EAGLE MARKED/ENGRAVED BLADES Hi, Recently I've became interested in those markings or engravings, asociated with blades manufactured in Austria. The only themes on the forum I could find about thoose is: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ble+head+eagle http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=austria+sword Can you post some photos of such marked/engraved blades? Is there a research about that particular marking/engraving with precise atribution? Thanks! Attached Images Last edited by Valjhun; 30th September 2010 at 08:08 AM.

1st October 2010, 06:46 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,748	Sorry nobody has responded on this, so I'll have a go at it. The double headed eagle is as you have shown, a recurring device in motif on sword blades, however it cannot be presumed that all motif with this type eagle signifies manufacture in Austria. This is decorative motif and not anything to do with makers or region of production so its important to keep that perspective. There are occasions however, in which a stamped eagle could signify military acceptance or regimental issue as I discovered recently on a sword I thought was German, and a single head eagle, which turned out double headed and Austrian. Again, these were military associated stamps, not makers marks. There are likely makers stamped markings using these eagles, but again, large inscribed motif is wholly different. The double headed eagle was used by Austria, which actually was part of the Holy Roman Empire 1250-1806) as Austria-Hungary. These double head eagles were also used by the Byzantine Empire, and later adopted by Russia . The double headed eagle is symbolic of the Masonic Scottish Rite. These are just a few of the possibilities, so I think it is important to look at the overall context, the entire sword it is found upon; other markings and motif included; as well as any other clues associated with the sword. The threads you haved linked show great illustrations and information, but I realize you would like to see more examples, and I agree. Hopefully others will add examples showing the motif and sword itself and lets see if we can get a comprehensive look at variations! All the best, Jim

1st October 2010, 01:46 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,027	Well, it's just Wikipedia ,but this article will give you an idea of just how far flung this symbol is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle

1st October 2010, 04:12 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,748	Valjhun, Any chance of seeing what the example of double head eagle you have posted is engraved on?

2nd October 2010, 02:34 PM	#5
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Yes sure. The interesting thin is that it comes from a schiavona. I'll open a new thread.