Please,identification of a dagger

carlos · 4th May 2009, 12:19 PM

Some weeks ago I wrote a post in the ethnographic forum and another member told me was a good idea put this dagger in this forum.
The seller told me the dagger could be french , spanish or philippine. someone could identify this type of dagger? Measure total lengh 18.5 inc.
thanks
Carlos

celtan · 4th May 2009, 01:03 PM

It definitely has an Iberian air to it, but for anything more conclusive we need markings. The blade's crosscut doesn't strike me as tipically iberian, though.

Any markings at all?

M

fernando · 4th May 2009, 01:22 PM

Hola Carlos,
Why not Spanish ?
Look at the wooden grip in this Spanish colonial sword.
Also the cross guard seems to have a Spanish touch.
Obviously other members would know better.
Un saludo
Fernando

carlos · 4th May 2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Hola Carlos,
Why not Spanish ?
Look at the wooden grip in this Spanish colonial sword.
Also the cross guard seems to have a Spanish touch.
Obviously other members would know better.
Un saludo
Fernando

Hi Fernado!! The grip is typical colonial grip, but the rest of the piece disiorientate me. someone have seen another piece like this?
Thanks gain
carlos

carlos · 4th May 2009, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celtan

It definitely has an Iberian air to it, but for anything more conclusive we need markings. The blade's crosscut doesn't strike me as tipically iberian, though.

Any markings at all?

M

Thanks!! No marks are presents in all the dagger.
Thanks again
Carlos

Jim McDougall · 5th May 2009, 06:40 AM

Hi Carlos,
I am inclined to think this is a Spanish colonial piece also, and though I have not yet found a reference, it seems associated with either central or South America and of the 'dirk' type weapons. That crossguard and the look overall seem of such influence, but the blade seems unusual.

All best regards,
Jim

Atlantia · 7th May 2009, 06:40 PM

I'm still thinking southern European, Spanish, possibly Italian... colonial?
Looks as though it would have had wire bindings on the grip of some sort, I can see the little pin holes for the ends of the strands.
Trying to imagine it with the grip bindings in place and it has an almost 'dirk' look to it.... But the scabbard and overal look still say Spanish to me first.
Hmmm, a little mystery! Lovely knife though.

carlos · 29th October 2013, 10:47 AM

hello again
reciently I have bought another dagger fron philippines with some pieces very similar to this dagger, the floral motifs in sheath, thr pommel ...
maybe I could think that finally this piece is from Philippines.
best regards
carlos

4th May 2009, 12:19 PM	#1
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 731	Please,identification of a dagger Some weeks ago I wrote a post in the ethnographic forum and another member told me was a good idea put this dagger in this forum. The seller told me the dagger could be french , spanish or philippine. someone could identify this type of dagger? Measure total lengh 18.5 inc. thanks Carlos Attached Images

4th May 2009, 01:22 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Hola Carlos, Why not Spanish ? Look at the wooden grip in this Spanish colonial sword. Also the cross guard seems to have a Spanish touch. Obviously other members would know better. Un saludo Fernando Attached Images

29th October 2013, 10:47 AM	#8
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 731	hello again reciently I have bought another dagger fron philippines with some pieces very similar to this dagger, the floral motifs in sheath, thr pommel ... maybe I could think that finally this piece is from Philippines. best regards carlos Attached Images

4th May 2009, 01:03 PM	#2
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	It definitely has an Iberian air to it, but for anything more conclusive we need markings. The blade's crosscut doesn't strike me as tipically iberian, though. Any markings at all? M

5th May 2009, 06:40 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,747	Hi Carlos, I am inclined to think this is a Spanish colonial piece also, and though I have not yet found a reference, it seems associated with either central or South America and of the 'dirk' type weapons. That crossguard and the look overall seem of such influence, but the blade seems unusual. All best regards, Jim

7th May 2009, 06:40 PM	#7
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	I'm still thinking southern European, Spanish, possibly Italian... colonial? Looks as though it would have had wire bindings on the grip of some sort, I can see the little pin holes for the ends of the strands. Trying to imagine it with the grip bindings in place and it has an almost 'dirk' look to it.... But the scabbard and overal look still say Spanish to me first. Hmmm, a little mystery! Lovely knife though.