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Old 3rd September 2019, 12:25 PM   #1
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On another thread there arose a discussion about Sawn-Off and other short barrelled Shot Guns.
Here is mine, bought last year at an Antique Arms Fair in the UK. I wasn't sure what I had bought at first, but the price was right and it was an attractive "Wall Hanger", a decorative piece and no longer functional. The consensus of opinion at the next meeting at the Royal Armouries was that it was made as a short gun, and fitted into the category known as Coach Guns. Not made as a hunting gun, but for defence from the drivers seat or the inside box of a coach. The defining feature was the made for purpose 18 inch 46 cm barrel.
It has had a hard life, and a lot of repairs and alterations. The lock was originally a flint lock, and there is a good likelihood that the stock is a replacement.
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Interesting. Could you show us a clearer picture of the lock plate front, David ?
... Just to see the modification work ...
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Here we are, you can just see where another piece has been brazed in....
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It has a new hammer, the old one long gone.
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Here we are, you can just see where another piece has been brazed in....

Yes; and the removal of the priming pan for a cap nipple. Certainly Looks like a private modification, not a military one; both taking place by the 1830's-1840's, right ?
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It's a civilian piece originally rather than military, a shotgun rather than a carbine. One with a long and eventful life I would say.
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It has a new hammer, the old one long gone.

Certainly the one that had to swapped for the modification .
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... a shotgun rather than a carbine...

Caliber ?
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Hello

Does the barrel have a test punch?

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Approximately 12 bore, but hard to tell with an old barrel. According to my gunsmith it had proof marks and etc, but now worn away to illegibility.
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