Sabre ?

M ELEY · 26th May 2012, 04:07 AM

$35.oo!!! Must be nice! Beaut of a sword. The slotted side guard reminds me of the American naval cutlass of the same period with slotting to side guard.

Ahhh, yes. Jim does have a very good eye!

Mark

Jim McDougall · 26th May 2012, 04:44 AM

Thanks very much guys

I knew this one right off because back in my collecting days I really wanted one, always thought they were pretty nice and loved the parabolic blade.
There was a great book, "The Virginia Manufactory of Arms" by Giles Cromwell as I recall, its been quite a few years.
These are pretty scarce, woth pretty good $$ though I think some repros out there....Stuart Mobray, the editor of "Man at Arms" magazine is the guy to talk to.....he likes these and Starr sabres.
Jim

Rick · 26th May 2012, 05:25 AM

Well, I was wondering about repro, actually .

The edge is rebated but this could have been done for display; no ? .

One hell of a distressing job if it is a repro; layers of rust .

The blade has great flex ....

[edit] If this sword is the real thing it was made between 1806 and 1808 .

Jim, this sword is huge; you need a quarter acre just to swing it . LOLZ !

Atlantia · 26th May 2012, 04:59 PM

Fab sword, love the shape. What a curve!!

Jim McDougall · 27th May 2012, 02:05 AM

Agree this thing is impressive, and when these were made swords were still very much primary weapons.....when these were called out again during the Civil War it seems they were shortened down. In my opinion this sword looks right, the rust on the hilt seems more recent, and the blade pretty clean, but the leather worn through on grip looks official. Incredible to find these kinda deals these days.......like the old urban tale of a lady who had a 'Chevy' in a barn for 50 years or some such...turned out to be a '54 Corvette with nearly no miles on it!

Rick · 27th May 2012, 03:21 AM

Well, the proud Owner is my favorite restrauteur .

I expect to be drinking free for a bit .

Jim, I will hoist one to you .

He was thrilled to hear the news; the piece would do well in the Summer Americana auction here at Eldred's, but he intends to keep it above the bar .

I advised him to do not much of anything to the sword except perhaps wax the blade .
First, do no harm ...

Just goes to show ... sometimes the pig in a poke works out .

" To err is human,
To arr is pirate."

Multumesc · 27th May 2012, 09:28 AM

Beautiful sword.

fernando · 31st May 2012, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Well, the proud Owner is my favorite restaurateur .

I expect to be drinking free for a bit .

...

For a bit ? After hearing all this, even if he has a close fist, he will easy offer you a season pass

.

Andrew · 4th June 2012, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

The edge is rebated but this could have been done for display; no ? .

What is this about? Is it possible the edge was intentionally rebated at the time of manufacture?

Rick · 5th June 2012, 12:57 AM

Good suggestion, Dmitry; I will pass it on to the owner .
Andrew, I have no idea why the blade is so dull .

Could it be 200+ years of being drawn and re-inserted in its scabbard ?

Guys, were these sabre scabbards saddle mounted ?
It is way too long to wear at the waist .

Rick · 7th June 2017, 09:14 PM

I'm very glad to announce that this has finally come to live with me now.

I gave it a heavy coat of Break Free LP, and that's all; not even going to try to remove any 'patina' (rust) .

Jim McDougall · 7th June 2017, 10:11 PM

YAY!!!
Rick, that is ALMOST as good as having it come live with me!!!
Its great knowing where one of these lives, and I know you'll take the proper care of it.
Its all about having these historic weapons in the right hands.

26th May 2012, 05:25 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	Well, I was wondering about repro, actually . The edge is rebated but this could have been done for display; no ? . One hell of a distressing job if it is a repro; layers of rust . The blade has great flex .... [edit] If this sword is the real thing it was made between 1806 and 1808 . Jim, this sword is huge; you need a quarter acre just to swing it . LOLZ ! Last edited by Rick; 26th May 2012 at 06:21 AM.

27th May 2012, 03:21 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	Well, the proud Owner is my favorite restrauteur . I expect to be drinking free for a bit . Jim, I will hoist one to you . He was thrilled to hear the news; the piece would do well in the Summer Americana auction here at Eldred's, but he intends to keep it above the bar . I advised him to do not much of anything to the sword except perhaps wax the blade . First, do no harm ... Just goes to show ... sometimes the pig in a poke works out . " To err is human, To arr is pirate." Last edited by Rick; 27th May 2012 at 04:01 AM.

7th June 2017, 09:14 PM	#11
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	Update I'm very glad to announce that this has finally come to live with me now. I gave it a heavy coat of Break Free LP, and that's all; not even going to try to remove any 'patina' (rust) .

26th May 2012, 04:07 AM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,077	$35.oo!!! Must be nice! Beaut of a sword. The slotted side guard reminds me of the American naval cutlass of the same period with slotting to side guard. Ahhh, yes. Jim does have a very good eye! Mark

26th May 2012, 04:44 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,792	Thanks very much guys I knew this one right off because back in my collecting days I really wanted one, always thought they were pretty nice and loved the parabolic blade. There was a great book, "The Virginia Manufactory of Arms" by Giles Cromwell as I recall, its been quite a few years. These are pretty scarce, woth pretty good $$ though I think some repros out there....Stuart Mobray, the editor of "Man at Arms" magazine is the guy to talk to.....he likes these and Starr sabres. Jim

26th May 2012, 04:59 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Fab sword, love the shape. What a curve!!

27th May 2012, 02:05 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,792	Agree this thing is impressive, and when these were made swords were still very much primary weapons.....when these were called out again during the Civil War it seems they were shortened down. In my opinion this sword looks right, the rust on the hilt seems more recent, and the blade pretty clean, but the leather worn through on grip looks official. Incredible to find these kinda deals these days.......like the old urban tale of a lady who had a 'Chevy' in a barn for 50 years or some such...turned out to be a '54 Corvette with nearly no miles on it!

27th May 2012, 09:28 AM	#7
Multumesc Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 202	Beautiful sword.

5th June 2012, 12:57 AM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	Good suggestion, Dmitry; I will pass it on to the owner . Andrew, I have no idea why the blade is so dull . Could it be 200+ years of being drawn and re-inserted in its scabbard ? Guys, were these sabre scabbards saddle mounted ? It is way too long to wear at the waist .

7th June 2017, 10:11 PM	#12
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,792	YAY!!! Rick, that is ALMOST as good as having it come live with me!!! Its great knowing where one of these lives, and I know you'll take the proper care of it. Its all about having these historic weapons in the right hands.