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KuKulzA28 · 27th October 2016, 05:32 PM

Reminds me of the cross-section of many Dayak parangs, concave on the inside. Maybe it improves the chopping potential of the club if used to strike on a particular trajectory? After all these bladed clubs were intended to chop into the opponent rather than just bludgeon them. Cleaner bone breaks and perhaps a little cleaving into the flesh.

Shipibo and "Kayapo" clubs don't feature this - but then again that means they'll be easily used to strike on any practical swing.

Tim Simmons · 9th November 2016, 05:33 PM

Nice examples found here- http://fotoweb.pesquisakino.com:8080...arch=pesquisar

Tim Simmons · 10th November 2016, 08:46 AM

That link seems not working now, so I have saved the pictures and add them in this reply.

colin henshaw · 10th November 2016, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

That link seems not working now, so I have saved the pictures and add them in this reply.

Some interesting sculptural club forms Tim, thanks for posting. What institution is it ?

VANDOO · 10th November 2016, 06:20 PM

I AM GLAD TO SEE THE PICTURES POSTED SITES AND PICTURES OFTEN GO MISSING LEAVING US WITH A GAP IN FORUM POSTS. I DIDN'T GET A TRANSLATION ON THESE PICTURES BUT FROM WHAT I SAW IT APPEARS THEY ARE KAYAPO TRIBE BRAZIL. A NICE RANGE OF EXCELLENT EXAMPLES.

Tim Simmons · 10th November 2016, 07:31 PM

These pictures are from the; Memorial of Indigenous Peoples - Brasilia DF 2016

Tim Simmons · 20th November 2016, 09:45 AM

I have been lucky to acquire another Wayana club. Which prompted more searching for information on the form. Finally I used the right wording and found all I need in a dissertation from Florida University for a doctorate.

The club is known as a Kapalu carried by chief/shaman important enough to be carried on the shoulder of a minion to event of use. It is a war club but ceremonial representing awesome power not unlike nuclear weapons in our minds. The spike end is used to support the club upright in the grouned by the hammock of the chief. The real use of these and war clubs has more or less ended at the close of the 20th century. The link has so much information. The most relevant pages are 372-374 for greater learning.

The new acquisition is the dark painted example. From the shipping cost I think it is made from a soft light wood which is usual, the other example is a heavy hard wood. Lesser quality versions are made as trade items.

http://etd.fcla.edu/UF/UFE0041100/duin_r.pdf

This example is from French Guiana. This Christian mission site like has some interesting stats:

http://www.peoplegroups.org/explore/...=16344#topmenu

Yet more Stats

https://intercontinentalcry.org/indi...eoples/wayana/

Missionary with Wayana 1955

10th November 2016, 08:46 AM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,742	That link seems not working now, so I have saved the pictures and add them in this reply. Attached Images

20th November 2016, 09:45 AM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,742	I have been lucky to acquire another Wayana club. Which prompted more searching for information on the form. Finally I used the right wording and found all I need in a dissertation from Florida University for a doctorate. The club is known as a Kapalu carried by chief/shaman important enough to be carried on the shoulder of a minion to event of use. It is a war club but ceremonial representing awesome power not unlike nuclear weapons in our minds. The spike end is used to support the club upright in the grouned by the hammock of the chief. The real use of these and war clubs has more or less ended at the close of the 20th century. The link has so much information. The most relevant pages are 372-374 for greater learning. The new acquisition is the dark painted example. From the shipping cost I think it is made from a soft light wood which is usual, the other example is a heavy hard wood. Lesser quality versions are made as trade items. http://etd.fcla.edu/UF/UFE0041100/duin_r.pdf This example is from French Guiana. This Christian mission site like has some interesting stats: http://www.peoplegroups.org/explore/...=16344#topmenu Yet more Stats https://intercontinentalcry.org/indi...eoples/wayana/ Missionary with Wayana 1955 Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 20th November 2016 at 10:44 AM.

27th October 2016, 05:32 PM	#1
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Reminds me of the cross-section of many Dayak parangs, concave on the inside. Maybe it improves the chopping potential of the club if used to strike on a particular trajectory? After all these bladed clubs were intended to chop into the opponent rather than just bludgeon them. Cleaner bone breaks and perhaps a little cleaving into the flesh. Shipibo and "Kayapo" clubs don't feature this - but then again that means they'll be easily used to strike on any practical swing.

9th November 2016, 05:33 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,742	Nice examples found here- http://fotoweb.pesquisakino.com:8080...arch=pesquisar

10th November 2016, 06:20 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I AM GLAD TO SEE THE PICTURES POSTED SITES AND PICTURES OFTEN GO MISSING LEAVING US WITH A GAP IN FORUM POSTS. I DIDN'T GET A TRANSLATION ON THESE PICTURES BUT FROM WHAT I SAW IT APPEARS THEY ARE KAYAPO TRIBE BRAZIL. A NICE RANGE OF EXCELLENT EXAMPLES.

10th November 2016, 07:31 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,742	These pictures are from the; Memorial of Indigenous Peoples - Brasilia DF 2016