alameng raja

Ganja Iras · 26th August 2014, 08:07 PM

As far as i know ,here in lombok and also bali ,the one who alloyed with silver we call it "SILIASIH " or there is another kind of combination gold & silver we call PIJAHAN / GANDONGAN.
and this one is not one of that kind ,cause its a solid gold in low quality
Thanks

Sajen · 26th August 2014, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganja Iras

As far as i know ,here in lombok and also bali ,the one who alloyed with silver we call it "SILIASIH " or there is another kind of combination gold & silver we call PIJAHAN / GANDONGAN.
and this one is not one of that kind ,cause its a solid gold in low quality
Thanks

18 karat gold means that it is an alloy from 75% gold and 25% silver & copper so far I know. 24 karat mean 99,99% gold content also called fine gold. Here in Europ we have as "good" gold this 18 karat gold because it is more hard. But I know that in Indonesia "good" gold has 23 karat.

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 27th August 2014, 11:50 PM

Plus it can be gold alloyed with silver and still be 18k gold........

kerisbiz · 6th November 2017, 02:02 AM

I'm not sure this is a full 18k gold, possibly a gold-plated silver blend material. I have some original toraja sulawesi, and you probably have not made it in Sulawesi because the material and shape of the blade is different. The materials used are also the same as madura kamardhikan kris.
In the handle part is also disproportionate shape, the original sword handle has a philosophy and size, not originally made.

Battara · 6th November 2017, 08:39 PM

So are you saying that this example is a "foreign" made copy?

Interesting. Would you be able to provide pictures of indigenous examples for comparison please?

Sajen · 7th November 2017, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

So are you saying that this example is a "foreign" made copy?

I think he want to say exactly this but I have to disagree, blade shape and constuction is correct, the handle don't look very ergonomic but it's not made for fight and I have seen similar shaped handles and the workmanship don't look recent to my eyes. Others may think different!

Regards,
Detlef

kerisbiz · 13th November 2017, 12:50 AM

I see this sword is not an old sword, I found there are some sulawesi heirlooms derived from ntb wrapped in gold but a form of engraving that seems not made by goldsmith. It is impossible that the king's sword is made by amateurs. Pamor shape and sword shape that is different from the natural sulawesi. pamor 'tongko siso' shaped large, the front edge of the sword shrank and looks dubious. the original average sword has a simple prestige and the sharp side there is 'rakkapeng' at the base with the sword of King Gowa and Raja Bone

26th August 2014, 08:07 PM	#1
Ganja Iras Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 57	As far as i know ,here in lombok and also bali ,the one who alloyed with silver we call it "SILIASIH " or there is another kind of combination gold & silver we call PIJAHAN / GANDONGAN. and this one is not one of that kind ,cause its a solid gold in low quality Thanks

27th August 2014, 11:50 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,141	Plus it can be gold alloyed with silver and still be 18k gold........

6th November 2017, 02:02 AM	#4
kerisbiz Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15	I'm not sure this is a full 18k gold, possibly a gold-plated silver blend material. I have some original toraja sulawesi, and you probably have not made it in Sulawesi because the material and shape of the blade is different. The materials used are also the same as madura kamardhikan kris. In the handle part is also disproportionate shape, the original sword handle has a philosophy and size, not originally made.

6th November 2017, 08:39 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,141	So are you saying that this example is a "foreign" made copy? Interesting. Would you be able to provide pictures of indigenous examples for comparison please?

13th November 2017, 12:50 AM	#7
kerisbiz Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15	I see this sword is not an old sword, I found there are some sulawesi heirlooms derived from ntb wrapped in gold but a form of engraving that seems not made by goldsmith. It is impossible that the king's sword is made by amateurs. Pamor shape and sword shape that is different from the natural sulawesi. pamor 'tongko siso' shaped large, the front edge of the sword shrank and looks dubious. the original average sword has a simple prestige and the sharp side there is 'rakkapeng' at the base with the sword of King Gowa and Raja Bone