Possible Mandaya Spear Head?

Ferguson · 5th April 2010, 12:44 AM

I think you paid too much.

Just kidding.

From "The History of Steel in Eastern Asia" by the Macao Museum of Art:

"Mandaya spears are double edged with a central ridge and a distinct V-point. Spearheads are socketed to the shaft instead of a tang. Occasionally there is fine chiseling and paneling (#29). "

This one seems to fit the bill. Can't tell from the pics if it's socketed or tanged, though.

Nice!
Steve

Battara · 5th April 2010, 01:24 AM

From here I can tell it is socketed.

Lew · 9th April 2010, 09:06 PM

The spear arrived today and I cleaned it up funny it seems to have a plastic ring separating the head from the socket? There is part of the shaft still stuck in the socket and it appears to made of bahi or palm wood lots of small black dots in the cross section.

Rick · 9th April 2010, 09:13 PM

Can you see a tang inside the socket ?

A couple of examples of the metuk to socket transition .

Lew · 9th April 2010, 09:27 PM

Nope a piece of the shaft is still embedded in the socket.

Rick · 9th April 2010, 09:41 PM

It may be a tanged head stuck in a heavy ferrule .

The profile is similar; the Mandaya spears in my collection have blades that are sword thick (1/4") or less; much thinner in cross section than a Moro spear.

I really haven't seen enough of these to get much of an opinion on standards .
I remember Bill had acquired a beautiful example in the not so distant past .

Paging Bill M.

Here we are .
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=mandaya+spear

Battara · 9th April 2010, 11:11 PM

PLASTIC!?!?

Damage in the past?

9th April 2010, 09:06 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The spear arrived today and I cleaned it up funny it seems to have a plastic ring separating the head from the socket? There is part of the shaft still stuck in the socket and it appears to made of bahi or palm wood lots of small black dots in the cross section. Attached Images

9th April 2010, 09:13 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Can you see a tang inside the socket ? A couple of examples of the metuk to socket transition . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 9th April 2010 at 09:28 PM.

5th April 2010, 12:44 AM	#1
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	I think you paid too much. Just kidding. From "The History of Steel in Eastern Asia" by the Macao Museum of Art: "Mandaya spears are double edged with a central ridge and a distinct V-point. Spearheads are socketed to the shaft instead of a tang. Occasionally there is fine chiseling and paneling (#29). " This one seems to fit the bill. Can't tell from the pics if it's socketed or tanged, though. Nice! Steve

5th April 2010, 01:24 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	From here I can tell it is socketed.

9th April 2010, 09:27 PM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Nope a piece of the shaft is still embedded in the socket.

9th April 2010, 09:41 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	It may be a tanged head stuck in a heavy ferrule . The profile is similar; the Mandaya spears in my collection have blades that are sword thick (1/4") or less; much thinner in cross section than a Moro spear. I really haven't seen enough of these to get much of an opinion on standards . I remember Bill had acquired a beautiful example in the not so distant past . Paging Bill M. Here we are . http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=mandaya+spear

9th April 2010, 11:11 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	PLASTIC!?!? Damage in the past?