Ron Gendhuru

ganjawulung · 4th April 2010, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Thanks all for appreciations.
Ferrylaki you are right. Pamor seems a little to Kupu Tarung . (About kupu tarung : in my experience is very difficult to find it....from some years i'm looking one opamor like this....but nothing good!

......i remember Ganjawulung has a very nice one

)

Dear Marco, is it the "kupu tarung" you meant -- almost a year ago?

Marcokeris · 4th April 2010, 04:32 PM

Dear Ganjawulung
YES

!!! This is the keris i remember
A very beautiful pamor ...and a very nice kris and complete sarong

ganjawulung · 4th April 2010, 05:20 PM

Is it? But two years ago, I saw a kupu tarung -- much beautiful than this in Yogyakarta. According to the owner, it was a "kaping piton" (HB VII) kupu tarung, straight blade, with a very neat kupu tarung pamor. I suggested you to took (buy) it, in front of the owner, but you chose to take the "walang sinundukan"... Why?

About one month later, that beautiful kupu tarung was bought by someone from Jakarta -- twice the price the former owner offered to you. Do you remember that beautiful kupu tarung in Yogyakartan branggah warangka?

Any way, your "ron genduru" is attractive too. You may regard the "lar gangsir" leaves inside the ron gendhuru....

GANJAWULUNG

Marcokeris · 4th April 2010, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

..... I suggested you to took (buy) it, in front of the owner, but you chose to take the "walang sinundukan"... Why?

GANJAWULUNG

Very easy:because i liked more the other blade.

Naga Sasra · 4th April 2010, 10:00 PM

Dear estemed members,

The thread name on this is Ron Gendhuru, we have however not seen a Ron Genduru pamor in the thread.
In lieu of that I have attached some photos of one of my Solo pieces, reflecting what is normally understood to be the Ron Genduru pamor. This just so members that are not familiar with the pamor can see what it looks like.
Thank You,

David · 4th April 2010, 10:26 PM

Thanks Erik for posting this.
Obviously the original blade has multiple pamor patterns. One seems to be wengkon. What pamor do you think the other one is that resembles Ron Gendhuru?

ganjawulung · 5th April 2010, 01:42 AM

Just for complementary to Erik's post, here are illustration on some type of pamors for comparison. It is from Mr Haryono Guritno's book "Keris Jawa"...
(1) Ron Gendhuru -- or Ron Kendhuru, (2) Ron Jagung, Mayang Mekar, Ron Gendhuru Sinebit, (3) Sekar Glagah, Ron Gendhuru Sinebit, Bulu Ayam, (4) Pari Sawuli, Sekar Glagah, Kupu Tarung, Lar Gangsir...

GANJAWULUNG

Naga Sasra · 5th April 2010, 02:23 AM

Good question David,
At first glance and from a distance the blade look like a Ron Genduru, but the close ups show a lot of things going on inside the blade.

In my post I indicated my photos reflected what is normally thought of as the Ron Genduru pamor, which is supposed to be based on the Genduru leaves also called caryoto mitis and clumping fish tail palm.

The one that resembles Ron Genduru do not follow the lines of the leaf.

I see wengkon, and as ganjawulung noted lar gangsir, I also see a bit of Ron genduru and a bit of mayang mekar, with other words there are an awful lot going on in the blade, but frankly, I happens to like it.

I prefer not to elaborate any further on this, as when it come to attaching names to pamor and dapur as well, they can all be interpreted in many different ways and some empu had different ideas as to what a named pamor should look like, and the control of the pamor by the empu did certainly impact the finished product.

4th April 2010, 05:20 PM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Is it? But two years ago, I saw a kupu tarung -- much beautiful than this in Yogyakarta. According to the owner, it was a "kaping piton" (HB VII) kupu tarung, straight blade, with a very neat kupu tarung pamor. I suggested you to took (buy) it, in front of the owner, but you chose to take the "walang sinundukan"... Why? About one month later, that beautiful kupu tarung was bought by someone from Jakarta -- twice the price the former owner offered to you. Do you remember that beautiful kupu tarung in Yogyakartan branggah warangka? Any way, your "ron genduru" is attractive too. You may regard the "lar gangsir" leaves inside the ron gendhuru.... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

4th April 2010, 10:00 PM	#5
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	Dear estemed members, The thread name on this is Ron Gendhuru, we have however not seen a Ron Genduru pamor in the thread. In lieu of that I have attached some photos of one of my Solo pieces, reflecting what is normally understood to be the Ron Genduru pamor. This just so members that are not familiar with the pamor can see what it looks like. Thank You, Attached Images

5th April 2010, 01:42 AM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	PAMOR COMPARISON Just for complementary to Erik's post, here are illustration on some type of pamors for comparison. It is from Mr Haryono Guritno's book "Keris Jawa"... (1) Ron Gendhuru -- or Ron Kendhuru, (2) Ron Jagung, Mayang Mekar, Ron Gendhuru Sinebit, (3) Sekar Glagah, Ron Gendhuru Sinebit, Bulu Ayam, (4) Pari Sawuli, Sekar Glagah, Kupu Tarung, Lar Gangsir... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

4th April 2010, 04:32 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Dear Ganjawulung YES !!! This is the keris i remember A very beautiful pamor ...and a very nice kris and complete sarong

4th April 2010, 10:26 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Thanks Erik for posting this. Obviously the original blade has multiple pamor patterns. One seems to be wengkon. What pamor do you think the other one is that resembles Ron Gendhuru?

5th April 2010, 02:23 AM	#8
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	Good question David, At first glance and from a distance the blade look like a Ron Genduru, but the close ups show a lot of things going on inside the blade. In my post I indicated my photos reflected what is normally thought of as the Ron Genduru pamor, which is supposed to be based on the Genduru leaves also called caryoto mitis and clumping fish tail palm. The one that resembles Ron Genduru do not follow the lines of the leaf. I see wengkon, and as ganjawulung noted lar gangsir, I also see a bit of Ron genduru and a bit of mayang mekar, with other words there are an awful lot going on in the blade, but frankly, I happens to like it. I prefer not to elaborate any further on this, as when it come to attaching names to pamor and dapur as well, they can all be interpreted in many different ways and some empu had different ideas as to what a named pamor should look like, and the control of the pamor by the empu did certainly impact the finished product.