Wootz kindjal - have you ever seen?

chregu · 26th March 2010, 10:56 PM

My example of Wootzklinge.
These Kindjal I found a few years ago at a secondhand shop.
Greeting chregu

TVV · 27th March 2010, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chregu

My example of Wootzklinge.
These Kindjal I found a few years ago at a secondhand shop.
Greeting chregu

Chregu,

I have a very similar kindjal to yours, with the same pattern on the blade. At first glance, it does resemble wootz, but I do not think it is. In my opinion, these are fine pattern welded blades.

I am also attaching pictures of the blade of another kindjal, which could be sham wootz, or sheer steel, not sure.

Regards,
Teodor

ALEX · 27th March 2010, 08:41 AM

Interesting conversation,
Would be great to hear other opinions on whether these blades are pattern welded, sheer steel or wootz? The pattern on Chregu blade does not look mechanical to me, neither on Teodor's first blade, I think they are wootz. Teodor's second blade might be sham or sheer. I attach similar closeup of mine, and it is undoubtedly (Persian) wootz.

chregu · 27th March 2010, 11:44 PM

hello together
theodor believe me, I know wootz.
've Already seen from other Kindjal and Kamma wootz. It is rare but not impossible. They all had one thing in common they were of the same style.
I guess South Caucasus. Greeting Chregu

TVV · 28th March 2010, 06:15 AM

Alex,

When you compare your blade to mine and chregu's, you can clearly see the difference. Yours is wootz, no doubt. Ours on the other hand, look quite different on closer inspection and I still think they are pattern welded.

Teodor

ALEX · 28th March 2010, 08:02 AM

Teodor,
Yes, there are differences in pattern between them. Nevertheless, the difference are in wootz pattern type in my opinion.

Could it be Russian i.e. Anosov's wootz? Attached is a closeup of allegedly Zlatoust produced wootz shashka blade. There are similarities to your patterns, but still - I do not think these are typical pattern welds.

Ariel, Rick what do you think?

RSWORD · 28th March 2010, 02:43 PM

Alex,

I agree with your assessment of all 3 blades. I think Chegru's is wootz and I think TVV's first example is a nice wootz. The 3rd example is definitely not wootz.

26th March 2010, 10:56 PM	#1
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	My example of Wootzklinge. These Kindjal I found a few years ago at a secondhand shop. Greeting chregu Attached Images

27th March 2010, 08:41 AM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Interesting conversation, Would be great to hear other opinions on whether these blades are pattern welded, sheer steel or wootz? The pattern on Chregu blade does not look mechanical to me, neither on Teodor's first blade, I think they are wootz. Teodor's second blade might be sham or sheer. I attach similar closeup of mine, and it is undoubtedly (Persian) wootz. Attached Images

28th March 2010, 08:02 AM	#6
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Teodor, Yes, there are differences in pattern between them. Nevertheless, the difference are in wootz pattern type in my opinion. Could it be Russian i.e. Anosov's wootz? Attached is a closeup of allegedly Zlatoust produced wootz shashka blade. There are similarities to your patterns, but still - I do not think these are typical pattern welds. Ariel, Rick what do you think? Attached Images

27th March 2010, 11:44 PM	#4
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	hello together theodor believe me, I know wootz. 've Already seen from other Kindjal and Kamma wootz. It is rare but not impossible. They all had one thing in common they were of the same style. I guess South Caucasus. Greeting Chregu

28th March 2010, 06:15 AM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Alex, When you compare your blade to mine and chregu's, you can clearly see the difference. Yours is wootz, no doubt. Ours on the other hand, look quite different on closer inspection and I still think they are pattern welded. Teodor

28th March 2010, 02:43 PM	#7
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,087	Alex, I agree with your assessment of all 3 blades. I think Chegru's is wootz and I think TVV's first example is a nice wootz. The 3rd example is definitely not wootz.