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Rick · 13th March 2010, 02:32 AM

Thanks Kai Wee, what style pendongkok should it have ?
The buntut has gone missing, correct ?

Agreed, I like this keris, and the Terennganu (sp?) example also .

danny1976 · 13th March 2010, 10:00 AM

Hi Rick and Kai wee.

Yes the buntut is missing , any restore tips ?
To find a good old pendokok will be the next thing but i think it will be hard to find a good old one .

Kai wee . Can u be more specific why it is a Riau keris , only the blade or the complete keris and does some one has a photo of a Riau keris with Toli toli ?

The only thing i can tell about this keris tha it dit comer more than 6o years ago with a dutch gentlemen and he did purchase it in Sumatra.

BluErf · 13th March 2010, 01:11 PM

The most famous Riau keris of them all...

I think the whole keris of yours is Riau. The blade is rather unusual. You might want to get it warangan-ed. I see potentially interesting star patterns along the length. This sort of things - you can't tell until it is washed properly.

Sajen · 13th March 2010, 03:01 PM

Hi Danny,

congrats, a very good find. Hope you found a way to restore it.

danny1976 · 13th March 2010, 03:15 PM

Hi Detlef,

Thanks ! i.m happy with this one

About the restore....I will look for a fitting mendak and maybe try to find a piece of horn or ivory for the buntut.
but for the rest i will leave the keris as it is, its old and i dont like it to become a ''bling bling keris ''

maybe i will give it a etch with vinager , because what i read a keris from sumatra doesn,t have the same stain with warangan as a javanese.

What,s youre opinion about the stain ?

regards,

danny

ow.... is some one has a old medak/pendoko..please pm ?

Rick · 13th March 2010, 03:30 PM

Danny, you can always post a Want ad in Keris Swap .

Sajen · 13th March 2010, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

Hi Detlef,

Thanks ! i.m happy with this one

About the restore....I will look for a fitting mendak and maybe try to find a piece of horn or ivory for the buntut.
but for the rest i will leave the keris as it is, its old and i dont like it to become a ''bling bling keris ''

maybe i will give it a etch with vinager , because what i read a keris from sumatra doesn,t have the same stain with warangan as a javanese.

What,s youre opinion about the stain ?

regards,

danny

ow.... is some one has a old medak/pendoko..please pm ?

Hi Danny,

since this blade seems to have a very nice pamor I would prefer to give the blade a classic warangan because you will see the pamor better, when you like it more discreet maybe not so strong etched.

My guess is that the buntut have been from metal but other will have a better opinion.

And you have a pm.

Regards,

Detlef

DAHenkel · 13th March 2010, 05:25 PM

Danny, did you ask the seller whether they had any history behind this keris? Any details about who collected the piece or where it was colleted would be very useful.

I think this is a Bugis keris but not Straits. It looks like it could be "tanah besar" that is, from Sulawesi itself.

I would strongly recommend that everyone who is interested in the Peninsular/Straits keris read more about the history of the region. Crucial reads are:

1. Tufat al Nafis - by Raja Ali Haji. There is an English translation called The Precious Gift by Barbara Harrison. This will give you a solid background on the history of the Bugis in the Straits from a Bugis Perspective.

2. Syair Perang Siak. This is a history from the perspective of the Sultans of Siak - who were more or less anti-Bugis and pro-Minang/Malay.

3. Sejarah Melayu. Malay Perspective and with lots of legendary history of the Malay people. Understanding what the Malay people are is crucial to understanding the Malay Keris.

4. Hikayat Hang Tuah. Another folk/popular history that is crucial to understanding Malay history. Note the very different story about the infamous keris Taming Sari.

5. Finally: while there are a lot of good reads about there the best all rounder for understanding the Malay world is a volume called "Contesting Malayness" edited by Tim Barnard. This puppy will blow your mind if you have any pre-concieved notions about the Malay World.

There are a ton of other very edifying books including Tony Reids two volume history of the early modern period of Southeast Asia "Land Below the Winds" and of course the Cambridge History. The Hikayat Pattani and other vernacular histories also provide much "color" for those of us who seek to understand the keris. Granted there's a lot here but read the volume's listed above and you will have a solid foundation for understanding the Malay Keris.

13th March 2010, 02:32 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Thanks Kai Wee, what style pendongkok should it have ? The buntut has gone missing, correct ? Agreed, I like this keris, and the Terennganu (sp?) example also . Last edited by Rick; 13th March 2010 at 03:11 AM.

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BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	The most famous Riau keris of them all... I think the whole keris of yours is Riau. The blade is rather unusual. You might want to get it warangan-ed. I see potentially interesting star patterns along the length. This sort of things - you can't tell until it is washed properly. Attached Images

13th March 2010, 10:00 AM	#2
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi Rick and Kai wee. Yes the buntut is missing , any restore tips ? To find a good old pendokok will be the next thing but i think it will be hard to find a good old one . Kai wee . Can u be more specific why it is a Riau keris , only the blade or the complete keris and does some one has a photo of a Riau keris with Toli toli ? The only thing i can tell about this keris tha it dit comer more than 6o years ago with a dutch gentlemen and he did purchase it in Sumatra.

13th March 2010, 03:01 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,207	Hi Danny, congrats, a very good find. Hope you found a way to restore it.

13th March 2010, 03:15 PM	#5
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi Detlef, Thanks ! i.m happy with this one About the restore....I will look for a fitting mendak and maybe try to find a piece of horn or ivory for the buntut. but for the rest i will leave the keris as it is, its old and i dont like it to become a ''bling bling keris '' maybe i will give it a etch with vinager , because what i read a keris from sumatra doesn,t have the same stain with warangan as a javanese. What,s youre opinion about the stain ? regards, danny ow.... is some one has a old medak/pendoko..please pm ?

13th March 2010, 03:30 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Danny, you can always post a Want ad in Keris Swap .

13th March 2010, 05:25 PM	#8
DAHenkel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 125	Danny, did you ask the seller whether they had any history behind this keris? Any details about who collected the piece or where it was colleted would be very useful. I think this is a Bugis keris but not Straits. It looks like it could be "tanah besar" that is, from Sulawesi itself. I would strongly recommend that everyone who is interested in the Peninsular/Straits keris read more about the history of the region. Crucial reads are: 1. Tufat al Nafis - by Raja Ali Haji. There is an English translation called The Precious Gift by Barbara Harrison. This will give you a solid background on the history of the Bugis in the Straits from a Bugis Perspective. 2. Syair Perang Siak. This is a history from the perspective of the Sultans of Siak - who were more or less anti-Bugis and pro-Minang/Malay. 3. Sejarah Melayu. Malay Perspective and with lots of legendary history of the Malay people. Understanding what the Malay people are is crucial to understanding the Malay Keris. 4. Hikayat Hang Tuah. Another folk/popular history that is crucial to understanding Malay history. Note the very different story about the infamous keris Taming Sari. 5. Finally: while there are a lot of good reads about there the best all rounder for understanding the Malay world is a volume called "Contesting Malayness" edited by Tim Barnard. This puppy will blow your mind if you have any pre-concieved notions about the Malay World. There are a ton of other very edifying books including Tony Reids two volume history of the early modern period of Southeast Asia "Land Below the Winds" and of course the Cambridge History. The Hikayat Pattani and other vernacular histories also provide much "color" for those of us who seek to understand the keris. Granted there's a lot here but read the volume's listed above and you will have a solid foundation for understanding the Malay Keris.