Butcher Bayonet (Sawback)

celtan · 9th March 2010, 02:05 AM

Older "surplus" blade in a "new" mount...?

I have seen Charles III 18th C blades in 19th C swords...

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Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Willem,
Many thanks for the info re the bayonet. The 15 below the crowned L would suggest, as you rightly say, Ludwig III of Bavaria (1913-1918) with a date of 1915 for the bayonet itself. The enigma is the crowned K which appears below the crowned L suggesting Karl of Wurttemberg (1864-1891) on a 1898/05 bayonet !!!! Any ideas gratefully accepted

My Regards,
Norman.

junker · 9th March 2010, 08:13 PM

Hi,
coming back to the first question about the tale of the sawtooth.
I have seen a bayo in an auction from which the sawtooth was removed.
But i would agree with Jim that it was in fact more unpractical to leave the weapon and this was the reason why.
Dirk

asomotif · 10th March 2010, 12:49 AM

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I have seen a bayo in an auction from which the sawtooth was removed.

Like this one :

junker · 12th March 2010, 07:59 PM

yes, exactly like this
Dirk

tom hyle · 2nd April 2010, 01:55 AM

It is interesting to note that medieval European carpentry saws often had a sword-like hilt, similar to modern Japanese saws, but apparently often with a round handguard.

celtan · 2nd April 2010, 03:32 PM

The saw-backs were designed to cut barbed wire. The Brit soldiers believed they were instruments of terror and torture, unbefitting of a soldier. Consequently, during WWI they threatened the'd shoot any german prisoner caught carrying these. It's said they did carry out this threat, which would help explain the saw-teeth being removed from the blades...

During the Spanish American War, the invading US troops thought the old .43 copper bullets were intentionally poisoned by the Spanish defenders, on account of the green deposits copper develops, specially on humid caribbean conditions. Many Spanish militia soldiers. who carried these old models, were killed after being captured, just because of the natural verdigris deposits.

Such is War...

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celtan · 2nd April 2010, 11:43 PM

Sorry! This subject was already well discussed by Jim at the beginning of the thread.

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9th March 2010, 08:13 PM	#2
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	removed sawtooth Hi, coming back to the first question about the tale of the sawtooth. I have seen a bayo in an auction from which the sawtooth was removed. But i would agree with Jim that it was in fact more unpractical to leave the weapon and this was the reason why. Dirk

12th March 2010, 07:59 PM	#4
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	yes, exactly like this Dirk

2nd April 2010, 01:55 AM	#5
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	It is interesting to note that medieval European carpentry saws often had a sword-like hilt, similar to modern Japanese saws, but apparently often with a round handguard.

2nd April 2010, 03:32 PM	#6
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	The saw-backs were designed to cut barbed wire. The Brit soldiers believed they were instruments of terror and torture, unbefitting of a soldier. Consequently, during WWI they threatened the'd shoot any german prisoner caught carrying these. It's said they did carry out this threat, which would help explain the saw-teeth being removed from the blades... During the Spanish American War, the invading US troops thought the old .43 copper bullets were intentionally poisoned by the Spanish defenders, on account of the green deposits copper develops, specially on humid caribbean conditions. Many Spanish militia soldiers. who carried these old models, were killed after being captured, just because of the natural verdigris deposits. Such is War... M

2nd April 2010, 11:43 PM	#7
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Sorry! This subject was already well discussed by Jim at the beginning of the thread. M