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Old 22nd February 2010, 11:09 PM   #1
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The model of the book "Fatal Beauty" (Freddy) at the exhibit in Taiwan.
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Old 23rd February 2010, 06:49 AM   #2
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Luc,
Thank you for the pictures and information. The one with the copper blade is absolutely amazing. I would imagine that they are quite a bit rarer that the steel bladed ones. After seeing all of the wonderful pictures that have been posted I cannot wait for mine to arrive. I just hope that when it does that it in in decent condition and that there is not a lot of unseen damage on the side of the scabbard that is not shown in the picture. Just so I do not inflict any further damage to it what would be the best way of cleaning the copper parts with out loosing the patina? Thanks to all again for all your help.

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I do know NOT to use metal polish on the copper.
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Old 23rd February 2010, 09:37 PM   #3
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Just rub it with a soft dry cloth, it will shine without being glossy.
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Old 23rd February 2010, 10:16 PM   #4
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Luc,
Thank you for your reply and the advice on cleaning. This is probably as good a time as any to ask a question that I have been wondering about for quite a while now. If you have a piece that has either copper or brass on it and it has heavy green oxidation on it that is eating into the metal what is the best coarse of action to take to stop it and do you completely remove the oxidation or not? I have run into this problem a few times before (especially on items that were left for years in leather sheaths) and I always just cleaned the effected area completely free of the oxidation with penetrating oil and 0000 steel wool.

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Old 25th February 2010, 08:02 PM   #5
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There are many "schools", but personnaly I clean.
Rust and oxidation are not patina for me, so I clean my knives.
Especially if it is green oxidation, it is easy to clean to "new" copper and brass, but it also easy to make old with specific products.And you don't need a long time to have a soft matt, unpolished patina, which is better,for me , than a bad green.
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Old 25th February 2010, 09:10 PM   #6
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I agree with Luc you should clean the piece if there is any active rust of green oxidation that could damage the piece. If we can conserve our antiques properly they will be around for many future generations to enjoy.
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Old 25th February 2010, 09:11 PM   #7
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Luc and Lew,
Thank you for your help on the cleaning procedure. The knife has arrived today and I will post more pictures later. By looking at it I would say that it is easily late 19th to early 20th century. Thanks again.

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Hello everyone. Here are the pictures that I promised. The knife does have some damage to the wire work that should not be too difficult to repair. One of the horns on the scabbard is also partially broken and will require a little more effort in its repair. The pictures are of the knife as it arrived without anything being done to it at all. Very nicely decorated blade. The hilt on the knife is bound in some form of reptile skin (the scales are quite obvious) and then the wire. The wooden scabbard is also covered in skin of undetermined origin and then wire. I could not get a decent picture of the hilt that would show the scales though but will try again tomorrow. It looks to me that the blade had been stored in the scabbard and had become stuck from the shrinkage to the wood and skin and the damage was probably caused when the owner tried to forcibly remove it. I would appreciate your comments and advice on what to do as far as restoration goes, or anything else for that matter. If anyone would like a picture of any particular area of the knife or scabbard just ask. Thank you for your help.

Robert

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Old 3rd February 2013, 05:29 PM   #9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc LEFEBVRE
There are many "schools", but personnaly I clean.
Rust and oxidation are not patina for me, so I clean my knives.
Especially if it is green oxidation, it is easy to clean to "new" copper and brass, but it also easy to make old with specific products.And you don't need a long time to have a soft matt, unpolished patina, which is better,for me , than a bad green.
Hi Luc
I know, after argued about this topic, it's not the course of action for everyone
I share absolutely your position, according with my understanding;
- dirt, old oil, rust
aren't "patina", and weapons have to be maintained in good shape,
as well as "Sajen" did it, with his beautiful old Yakoma knife
not necessary to get the blade "white", but clean, that's it

"Sagen" very good job, your knife it's amazing

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Old 3rd February 2013, 05:59 PM   #10
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Hi Luc
I know, after argued about this topic, it's not the course of action for everyone
I share absolutely your position, according with my understanding;
- dirt, old oil, rust
aren't "patina", and weapons have to be maintained in good shape,
as well as "Sajen" did it, with his beautiful old Yakoma knife
not necessary to get the blade "white", but clean, that's it

"Sagen" very good job, your knife it's amazing

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Dom

Hi Dom,

sadly I have to say that this indeed beautiful Yakoma knife belong to Robert!
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