Small Sumatra keris

[Sajen]

After I have received it I have had some taskwork surprises. The second white ring at the gandar have been from some sort of tape and the other one show by the hot needle test that it is from plastic. Then I have removed the silver cap from the buntut, see the pictures. The black ring and the original buntut are from real horn. The complete sheat have had a cover with clear varnish, I have removed it with steel-wool, the wood is very nice. I plan to replace the white rings with white water buffalo horn.
But I don't have a clear hunch how the buntut original have looked, here I want to ask you for help. Is it possible that the buntut also have had a white ring?

Thank you very much in advance,

Detlef

[Gustav]

Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

[BluErf]

Likely to be a Riau keris. The buntut probably have the same pattern as the throat before ending in a rounded chape.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by BluErf

Likely to be a Riau keris. The buntut probably have the same pattern as the throat before ending in a rounded chape.

Thank you Kai Wee, this make sense, so I will attach here also a ring with white buffalo horn and a rounded end piece from black horn.

Regards,

Detlef

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

The pendokok is a Sumbawa form.. a lotus form would look better, imho.

Sajen, that's a nice piece, congratulations.. the blade need cleaning, though.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

The pendokok is a Sumbawa form.. a lotus form would look better, imho.

Sajen, that's a nice piece, congratulations.. the blade need cleaning, though.

Hi Alam,

thank you for comment, yes, the pendokok is from Sumbawa. What do you think about the "original" one. The blade will get a cleaning and a warangan also.

Detlef

[rasdan]

I think this a probably Northern Peninsular keris from Kedah, Perlis or North Perak. The characteristics are: The sampir looks like Riau one, and the "batang sarung" tapers a bit and the buntut is in the "Buntut Lipas" form and the hilt is Jawa Demam that is a bit like the Pattani Pekaka. Some keris from that region uses flat buntut as well. The tips of the sampir are normally triangular like a Terengganu one. However, if somebody choses to take a Riau keris and modify it into this form it nobody can really tell for sure.

I attached a picture of a keris from Pendang, Kedah that i grab from the net. Note the pendongkok looks very Sumatran, but this one is a typical type found on Northern Peninsular keris. The tips of the sampir are rather extreme.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by rasdan

I think this a probably Northern Peninsular keris from Kedah, Perlis or North Perak. The characteristics are: The sampir looks like Riau one, and the "batang sarung" tapers a bit and the buntut is in the "Buntut Lipas" form and the hilt is Jawa Demam that is a bit like the Pattani Pekaka. Some keris from that region uses flat buntut as well. The tips of the sampir are normally triangular like a Terengganu one. However, if somebody choses to take a Riau keris and modify it into this form it nobody can really tell for sure.

I attached a picture of a keris from Pendang, Kedah that i grab from the net. Note the pendongkok looks very Sumatran, but this one is a typical type found on Northern Peninsular keris. The tips of the sampir are rather extreme.

Thank you Rasdan for your input. I have a similar keris to yours and the sampir of this one is very similar to my new one. So coming up the question in #1.
BTW, what do you think about the "original" pendokok?

Regards,

Detlef

[BluErf]

The "original" is quite unusual, but has Peninsula flavour, especially the petals. But as we move down the pendoko to the stem, it looks stranger and stranger. Where did you get this pendoko?

I have a similar keris to Radan's example. Thought this was a Pattani "interpretation" of a Riau keris.

I have another Malay keris which we suspect to be from Kedah, Pahang or Perak. Ok it's a v large area, but it is really through a process of elimination that these states were left as the likely candidates for the keris.

As to Sajen's keris, I have mentioned that it is likely Riau, but this keris is one of those really grey ones. But looking at it again, it could very well be Terengganu. Some more pics to follow.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Sajen

... What do you think about the "original" one. The blade will get a cleaning and a warangan also.

Detlef

The "original" pendokok/mendak/hilt ring that comes with the piece, seems like a replacement.. BluErf's hilt ring seems like a good fitting for your piece..
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=54668&stc=1

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

The "original" pendokok/mendak/hilt ring that comes with the piece, seems like a replacement.. BluErf's hilt ring seems like a good fitting for your piece..
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=54668&stc=1

This have been my feeling also that the pendokok which coming with the keris have been a replacement. I will search for a better and adequate one.

[Sajen]

Many thank's to Kai Wee, Alam and Rasdan for all the informations and pictures of beautiful examples of this region.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

Hello Gustav,

yes I have changed because the "original" seems a little bit to small but I am also not happy with this one, like Alam write it's a Sumbawa one. I hope I found a lotus pendokok.