Maranao Sundang

ThePepperSkull · 31st December 2009, 04:14 PM

It's that exact one! Thanks, guys.

I remember seeing it numerous times while reading about moro Kris, but when the image needs popping up, I couldn't seem to find it!

Bill M · 31st December 2009, 04:44 PM

Looks like his feet are etched

David · 31st December 2009, 07:04 PM

Well i would say that the blade definitely appears to be etched dark in this photo so there must be some tradition to it.

ThePepperSkull · 1st January 2010, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Looks like his feet are etched

I wonder what Pamor we'd call that.... Pamor Bluchis (Blue cheese) ?

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Originally Posted by David

Well i would say that the blade definitely appears to be etched dark in this photo so there must be some tradition to it.

Definitely. I'd say that this would be indicative of the aforementioned sun heat and Citrus juice etching method mentioned in this thread.

Bill M · 1st January 2010, 07:03 PM

I heard that the Moro liked darker blades when they waited in ambush. Perhaps lighter blades when at home or when they wanted to make a "flashy entrance."

I recently met a Moro Princess of the Buayan Dynasty. Maybe she would know. I'll ask. She is more involved in politics, but since Datu Utto was in her lineage, she might have an opinion.

Gustav · 22nd May 2013, 06:15 PM

Dear All,

regarding the stain on moro krisses: in a catalogue of an Pilippines exhibition in Munich from 1985 I found this kris.

There is no date of acquisition in the catalogue, yet it should be between 1880 and 1926.

It is also interesting with regards to this thread:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=kris+krosses

Battara · 22nd May 2013, 11:36 PM

Gustav, what a great piece! Superb in condition and creation. Also great example of blades being first stained.

I might place this piece a little earlier only because of the workmanship quality. maybe 1860s - 1880s? The blade is Maguindanao. The work maybe too.

Thanks for sharing. Could you also post the description please (even if it is in German)?

Gustav · 23rd May 2013, 12:03 PM

Jose, the description is very rudimentary:

A sword with straight Kris-blade. Blackened steel with "Silbertauschierung" (silver inlays). Chased silver handle in shape of a rudimentary bird form, which carries the kris on its back (typ 1.5); length: 55 cm; Sulu Archipelago, 19. cent.

Staatliches Museum für Völkerkunde München.

Inv. number : 25-60-14

The writer, Rose Schubert, has an interesting, yet strange vision of the hilt: she interprets these hilts as a bird, which carries the kris on its back; this form becomes evident once the tip of the blade points upward. It makes perhaps some sense with Junggayan, yet not with simpler forms.

I ask me, if description "silver inlay" is absolutely precise also. If you look closely, the silver vire seems twisted. I suppose, it could be intertwined silver and gold wire, as seen on some examples.

Jose, if you are interested in the date of acquisition of this kris, I could try to ask the museum.

22nd May 2013, 06:15 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Dear All, regarding the stain on moro krisses: in a catalogue of an Pilippines exhibition in Munich from 1985 I found this kris. There is no date of acquisition in the catalogue, yet it should be between 1880 and 1926. It is also interesting with regards to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=kris+krosses Attached Images

31st December 2009, 04:14 PM	#1
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	It's that exact one! Thanks, guys. I remember seeing it numerous times while reading about moro Kris, but when the image needs popping up, I couldn't seem to find it!

31st December 2009, 04:44 PM	#2
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Looks like his feet are etched

31st December 2009, 07:04 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Well i would say that the blade definitely appears to be etched dark in this photo so there must be some tradition to it.

1st January 2010, 07:03 PM	#5
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	I heard that the Moro liked darker blades when they waited in ambush. Perhaps lighter blades when at home or when they wanted to make a "flashy entrance." I recently met a Moro Princess of the Buayan Dynasty. Maybe she would know. I'll ask. She is more involved in politics, but since Datu Utto was in her lineage, she might have an opinion.

22nd May 2013, 11:36 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,346	Gustav, what a great piece! Superb in condition and creation. Also great example of blades being first stained. I might place this piece a little earlier only because of the workmanship quality. maybe 1860s - 1880s? The blade is Maguindanao. The work maybe too. Thanks for sharing. Could you also post the description please (even if it is in German)?

23rd May 2013, 12:03 PM	#8
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Jose, the description is very rudimentary: A sword with straight Kris-blade. Blackened steel with "Silbertauschierung" (silver inlays). Chased silver handle in shape of a rudimentary bird form, which carries the kris on its back (typ 1.5); length: 55 cm; Sulu Archipelago, 19. cent. Staatliches Museum für Völkerkunde München. Inv. number : 25-60-14 The writer, Rose Schubert, has an interesting, yet strange vision of the hilt: she interprets these hilts as a bird, which carries the kris on its back; this form becomes evident once the tip of the blade points upward. It makes perhaps some sense with Junggayan, yet not with simpler forms. I ask me, if description "silver inlay" is absolutely precise also. If you look closely, the silver vire seems twisted. I suppose, it could be intertwined silver and gold wire, as seen on some examples. Jose, if you are interested in the date of acquisition of this kris, I could try to ask the museum.