Dagger ID Needed

Rick · 11th December 2009, 09:55 PM

I think the thimbles fall into the frugal 'never throw anything away; it might have a second use' category .
Age ?
I'd bet 1880 1900, just a feeling .

Five notches ?

Robert · 11th December 2009, 10:24 PM

I meant to add that the are called tailor's thimbles, which mean they did not have a top, as tailor's would push the needle with the side of the thimble, using the knurling to help hold it as it pushed through material. The notches can be seen in the forth and sixth pictures down from the top. I have seen marks like this on the spine and ricasso of blades before but this is the first time that I have seen them on the grip itself.

Robert

Gavin Nugent · 11th December 2009, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

I meant to add that the are called tailor's thimbles, which mean they did not have a top, as tailor's would push the needle with the side of the thimble, using the knurling to help hold it as it pushed through material. The notches can be seen in the forth and sixth pictures down from the top. I have seen marks like this on the spine and ricasso of blades before but this is the first time that I have seen them on the grip itself.

Robert

I would suggest these thimbles also came from Chinese traders, maybe used when newer ones became available, most likely originally from Europe though.
I tentatively suggest this as the Chinese traded greatly in textiles and it seems more than possible given the knife styling.
I too would agree with the 1880+ dating though maybe 30 years earlier.

Gav

Battara · 12th December 2009, 05:01 AM

I have held off because I had to think about this piece. I agree that the hilt looks Filipino and what helps is the fact that it is made of carabao horn. It was in Luzon due to the fact that the tang goes through the hilt into the end.

I would agree that the blade is a Spanish bayonet.

The thimbles - would be used if made of silver - as Rick said - "frugal"

Hotspur · 13th December 2009, 12:04 AM

My guess for the blade and I concur with late 19th century and into the 20th century for origin of make up.

http://www.arms2armor.com/Swords/fren1887iof.htm

Continental as well, my thinking but the styles easily travel and get absorbed in other cultures.

The T shape Gras bayonet blades are spine to edge, whereas the Epee blade linked is side to side, as is this dagger.

Cheers

GC

One viewer read my modern hafted poinard as a sai

An 18th century blade on this one with quite modern parts, overall.

Atlantia · 13th December 2009, 12:58 AM

Date wise, the construction looks 19thC to me, possibly mid. Especially the thimbles.

migueldiaz · 20th December 2009, 01:18 PM

Dimasalang, where are you when we need you?!

Your knowledge on Katipunan-era daggers would be me most useful here sir.

13th December 2009, 12:04 AM	#5
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 535	My guess for the blade and I concur with late 19th century and into the 20th century for origin of make up. http://www.arms2armor.com/Swords/fren1887iof.htm Continental as well, my thinking but the styles easily travel and get absorbed in other cultures. The T shape Gras bayonet blades are spine to edge, whereas the Epee blade linked is side to side, as is this dagger. Cheers GC One viewer read my modern hafted poinard as a sai An 18th century blade on this one with quite modern parts, overall. Attached Images

11th December 2009, 09:55 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I think the thimbles fall into the frugal 'never throw anything away; it might have a second use' category . Age ? I'd bet 1880 1900, just a feeling . Five notches ?

11th December 2009, 10:24 PM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I meant to add that the are called tailor's thimbles, which mean they did not have a top, as tailor's would push the needle with the side of the thimble, using the knurling to help hold it as it pushed through material. The notches can be seen in the forth and sixth pictures down from the top. I have seen marks like this on the spine and ricasso of blades before but this is the first time that I have seen them on the grip itself. Robert

12th December 2009, 05:01 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I have held off because I had to think about this piece. I agree that the hilt looks Filipino and what helps is the fact that it is made of carabao horn. It was in Luzon due to the fact that the tang goes through the hilt into the end. I would agree that the blade is a Spanish bayonet. The thimbles - would be used if made of silver - as Rick said - "frugal"

13th December 2009, 12:58 AM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Date wise, the construction looks 19thC to me, possibly mid. Especially the thimbles.

20th December 2009, 01:18 PM	#7
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Dimasalang, where are you when we need you?! Your knowledge on Katipunan-era daggers would be me most useful here sir.