Keris Sundang pictures for sharing or comment

brekele · 22nd November 2009, 04:24 PM

The newest experiment of keris sundang.
This time we use "besi berpamor".

Spunjer · 22nd November 2009, 04:37 PM

stunning!
just thinking out loud, who's to say back in the old days this is exactly how the "twisted core" krises came to be: just a bunch of experiments like what you're doing now...

Rick · 22nd November 2009, 05:16 PM

Would that mean that Pamor had meaning for the Moro Peoples ?

Also Bre, shouldn't the asang asang have tails that go up under the hilt wrapping ?

Spunjer · 22nd November 2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Would that mean that Pamor had meaning for the Moro Peoples ?

did i just open up another door?

...but then again perhaps it was done for aesthetic purposes, since with a blade looking like this, coupled with a decorated hilt, it would look sharp as heck. or the original owner has direct indo ties

brekele · 22nd November 2009, 06:24 PM

Hi Rick, I was not thinking about context of the pamor and moro peoples, but more in the talent of the young pande for making new style of the keris, skill and his art work.

What is asang asang, is it name of Keris Sundang's ricikan?
Honestly I dont know it. So, sorry ...cannot answer your question.

Battara · 22nd November 2009, 06:28 PM

What wonderful work!

Asang-asang means the clamp where the hilt and the blade meet. I think it is a Sulu PI word.

Sajen · 22nd November 2009, 07:21 PM

Just beautiful!

Rick · 23rd November 2009, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

did i just open up another door?

Well,
Did you ?

Amuk Murugul · 23rd November 2009, 01:59 AM

Hullo everybody!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

....
Also Bre, shouldn't the asang asang have tails that go up under the hilt wrapping ?

.... not necessarily. It depends which aspects of the asang-asang 'evolution' one wants to emulate, as they were developed for practical reasons.

Best,

Rick · 23rd November 2009, 02:18 AM

All the more practical if the clamps hold the gangya to the sword and the sword in turn to the hilt ...

David · 16th December 2009, 06:15 AM

I find it really interesting that this first sundang posted here is currently being sold on eBay simply called KERIS SUNDANG LUK 3 KRIS MORO with no explanation that it is a brand new blade made in Madura. The title even dares to imply that the piece is actually Moro.
This seems passively deceptive at best and i can't help but feel that this forum was in some ways pumped for information on how to make this deception finer. This doesn't please me one bit Brekele and i'm not done with this yet!

Gavin Nugent · 16th December 2009, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I find it really interesting that this first sundang posted here is currently being sold on eBay simply called KERIS SUNDANG LUK 3 KRIS MORO with no explanation that it is a brand new blade made in Madura. The title even dares to imply that the piece is actually Moro.
This seems passively deceptive at best and i can't help but feel that this forum was in some ways pumped for information on how to make this deception finer. This doesn't please me one bit Brekele and i'm not done with this yet!

Quote:

Originally Posted by brekele

Hi Rick, I was not thinking about context of the pamor and moro peoples, but more in the talent of the young pande for making new style of the keris, skill and his art work.

I don't know if the listing has been edited David but it does say made in Indonesia???
Passive deception...maybe...maybe not...maybe just a use of key words?
I don't really see a deception, only an exhibition of 4 different style for the forum to view, all made by a local young artisan, obviously they can't be eaten so offering the artwork seems practical...I don't see any information being bled from anyone with leading or probing questions....
What the real issue would be is an open discussion on a currently advertised item and the discussion remains open???......just my impartial 2 cents worth...

Gav

22nd November 2009, 04:24 PM	#1
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	The newest experiment of Keris Sundang The newest experiment of keris sundang. This time we use "besi berpamor". Attached Images

22nd November 2009, 04:37 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	stunning! just thinking out loud, who's to say back in the old days this is exactly how the "twisted core" krises came to be: just a bunch of experiments like what you're doing now...

22nd November 2009, 05:16 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Would that mean that Pamor had meaning for the Moro Peoples ? Also Bre, shouldn't the asang asang have tails that go up under the hilt wrapping ?

22nd November 2009, 06:24 PM	#5
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi Rick, I was not thinking about context of the pamor and moro peoples, but more in the talent of the young pande for making new style of the keris, skill and his art work. What is asang asang, is it name of Keris Sundang's ricikan? Honestly I dont know it. So, sorry ...cannot answer your question.

22nd November 2009, 06:28 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	What wonderful work! Asang-asang means the clamp where the hilt and the blade meet. I think it is a Sulu PI word.

22nd November 2009, 07:21 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,269	Just beautiful!

23rd November 2009, 02:18 AM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	All the more practical if the clamps hold the gangya to the sword and the sword in turn to the hilt ...

16th December 2009, 06:15 AM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	I find it really interesting that this first sundang posted here is currently being sold on eBay simply called KERIS SUNDANG LUK 3 KRIS MORO with no explanation that it is a brand new blade made in Madura. The title even dares to imply that the piece is actually Moro. This seems passively deceptive at best and i can't help but feel that this forum was in some ways pumped for information on how to make this deception finer. This doesn't please me one bit Brekele and i'm not done with this yet!