Great article...

[celtan]

Hi Nandin,

It actually makes more sense, espingarda doesn't sound arabic at all. In fact, my grandad in Galicia used to call me that, on account of my being tall and thin.

OTOH, it might be that the involvement in North Africa of both Spain and Portugal brought that word home from it being used there.

Regards

M

Originally Posted by fernando

Hi guys,
Just a little note; the current term for a shoulder arm in Portugal is ESPINGARDA.
Nando.

[M ELEY]

Hello M and N ( )

Espingarda from the Portuguese meaning tall/thin/long. Sounds right. Along with swival coehorns, these wall guns fascinate me. Thanks for commenting.

[celtan]

Just fired one today three times, with a 2 oz FFBP load...

Noisy!

: )

Originally Posted by M ELEY

Hello M and N ( )

Espingarda from the Portuguese meaning tall/thin/long. Sounds right. Along with swival coehorns, these wall guns fascinate me. Thanks for commenting.

[fernando]

Hola Nelito

Originally Posted by celtan

... In fact, my grandad in Galicia used to call me that, on account of my being tall and thin. ...

He he he ...So we start getting acquainted with your format

Originally Posted by celtan

... OTOH, it might be that the involvement in North Africa of both Spain and Portugal brought that word home from it being used there ...

The term comes from the old french espringarde, a stone throwing ballista, via the italian spingarda.

Fernando

[celtan]

Holá Nando,

Muito obrigado!

: )


M

"Tall, yet no longer thin" : (

Originally Posted by fernando

Hola Nelito



He he he ...So we start getting acquainted with your format



The term comes from the old french espringarde, a stone throwing ballista, via the italian spingarda.

Fernando

[aiontay]

http://www.nps.gov/arpo/historyculture/upload/Colbert's%20Raid.pdf

[celtan]

Hi Alontay,

Yep, Colbert, that's the guy. Both him and his father were adopted by the Chickasaw.

In 1783, the British had already left the Colonies (Yorktown capitulation was in 81'), yet in paper, the war lasted until 83' with the Treaty of Paris.

Colbert was under the employ of the US Govt., who was already at odds with their Spanish neighbour due to final definition of frontiers and waterways travel. Most of the (n) americans were allied then to Spain, since American politics were inimical to their interests as separate peoples, and Spanish hands were less "heavy" (ie. controlling) than those of the Americans.

BTW, I'm an NPS VIP at the local Forts.

Best regards.

Manolo

Originally Posted by aiontay

http://www.nps.gov/arpo/historyculture/upload/Colbert's%20Raid.pdf

[aiontay]

The NPS document claims that James Colbert led a force of British, not American, partisans. Arrell Gibson writes in his book "The Chickasaws" that James Colbert was a leader of British forces during the Revolutionary War. As for James being adopted, well, I could ask his descendents since I know a couple of them. Clearly, he intermarried and had/has numerous Chickasaw descendents. I'm Kiowa and Chickasaw, and my family, though not related, had pretty close ties with some of the Colberts back in the 19th Century, although I don't say that with any particular pride since the Colberts are problematic bunch.

[celtan]

Hi Aiontay.

Then the NPS is plumb wrong.

Yes, he used to serve the Brits, but since they were no more, he found new "masters". Proof of this is that during the Arkansas Post attack he did not bother Americans, and in fact. many Americans were part of his troupe.

There's also a history recorded from one of his contemporaries, I can't recall his name, he was a (n) american, who actually mentions Colbert's American employ.

There were (at least) two Colberts, father and son, both served the Brits. I believe the one that lead the attack at Arkansas was the son. But I might be wrong.

Remember that we are talking about 1783, when Spanish and Americans were trying to control the Mississippi and frontier areas, and de facto England was out of the picture In theory, Colbert was still at official War with Spain, although the Paris Treaty was signed on January. Colbert continued with his depredations and attacks on the grounds he had not received notice. Even after receiving same, he continued doing so, although more circumspectly.

BTW: I know what you mean. Sometimes I wish that some members of my extended family would change their surname...

Best

M

Originally Posted by aiontay

The NPS document claims that James Colbert led a force of British, not American, partisans. Arrell Gibson writes in his book "The Chickasaws" that James Colbert was a leader of British forces during the Revolutionary War. As for James being adopted, well, I could ask his descendents since I know a couple of them. Clearly, he intermarried and had/has numerous Chickasaw descendents. I'm Kiowa and Chickasaw, and my family, though not related, had pretty close ties with some of the Colberts back in the 19th Century, although I don't say that with any particular pride since the Colberts are problematic bunch.