Gilded and painted Keris for viewing

Gavin Nugent · 18th November 2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Nice.

These Bali sunggingan are really pretty scarce.

I mean really scarce.

Wow, thank you Alan, I knew it was a good thing when I found it but hearing that makes it ace! They are beautiful.

Do you think in a previous life the hilt would have been painted/gilded? Or is it more typical to have them left as it currently sits?

Best regards

Gav.

A. G. Maisey · 18th November 2009, 03:01 AM

In the Balinese ones I've seen the hilt seems to bear no relationship at all to the wrongko.

Gavin Nugent · 19th November 2009, 12:08 AM

Gents,

Another aspect that drew me to this piece was the blades quality.

I know there are many different representation of style in this area of the blade but this shape is new to my eyes. An almost human like shape to one side and flames rising on the other?

Not being very savy with keris terms, does the unusual form of the blade at the forte inticate anything in particular such as region in Bali, age of the blade or status of the owner?

Best regards

Gav

Rick · 19th November 2009, 12:58 AM

Agree, the pecetan (Jawa term) seems to be executed a bit differently .

The luks seem a little strange .

Otherwise, are you referring to the pamor ?

Gavin Nugent · 19th November 2009, 01:23 AM

Rick,

In general just the first four inches from the hilt as a whole I find interesting and unusual, the "fullers" the shapes, dips and curves.

I think for me, differentiating pamor or the subtle luks is beyond my understandings to be able to grasp fully,

but I am willing to listen if the information can be offered as it would be interesting to know and it would offer points of reference for my own readings when time permits. Others might also want to know these technical aspects of this piece

Best

Gav

David · 19th November 2009, 01:33 AM

It's certainly a nice blade, but i don't find the fullers all that unusual for a Bali blade.
I also have a old Bali sunggingan that i will post in the next day or so. Interestingly mine does have a hilt which has also been painted in relation to the sheath.

Gavin Nugent · 19th November 2009, 01:54 AM

Great David,

I look forward to viewing it.

I agree Bali Keris do have fullers similar to this and in these positions but there are subtle differences in the flow and depth of the curves that my eyes are drawn too. It may be nothing but I thought to ask. I'll try to get some comparative images of the other Bali keris blade I have here to see if I can highlight it better. It may just be a case of the pamor on this piece making it look different.

Regards

Gav

19th November 2009, 12:08 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	The blade Gents, Another aspect that drew me to this piece was the blades quality. I know there are many different representation of style in this area of the blade but this shape is new to my eyes. An almost human like shape to one side and flames rising on the other? Not being very savy with keris terms, does the unusual form of the blade at the forte inticate anything in particular such as region in Bali, age of the blade or status of the owner? Best regards Gav

19th November 2009, 01:23 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	The blade; Rick, In general just the first four inches from the hilt as a whole I find interesting and unusual, the "fullers" the shapes, dips and curves. I think for me, differentiating pamor or the subtle luks is beyond my understandings to be able to grasp fully, but I am willing to listen if the information can be offered as it would be interesting to know and it would offer points of reference for my own readings when time permits. Others might also want to know these technical aspects of this piece Best Gav

19th November 2009, 01:54 AM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Nice to see another Great David, I look forward to viewing it. I agree Bali Keris do have fullers similar to this and in these positions but there are subtle differences in the flow and depth of the curves that my eyes are drawn too. It may be nothing but I thought to ask. I'll try to get some comparative images of the other Bali keris blade I have here to see if I can highlight it better. It may just be a case of the pamor on this piece making it look different. Regards Gav

18th November 2009, 03:01 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	In the Balinese ones I've seen the hilt seems to bear no relationship at all to the wrongko.

19th November 2009, 12:58 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Agree, the pecetan (Jawa term) seems to be executed a bit differently . The luks seem a little strange . Otherwise, are you referring to the pamor ?

19th November 2009, 01:33 AM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	It's certainly a nice blade, but i don't find the fullers all that unusual for a Bali blade. I also have a old Bali sunggingan that i will post in the next day or so. Interestingly mine does have a hilt which has also been painted in relation to the sheath.