Two keris

Sajen · 7th November 2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by David

I have to agree with Alan. These were a literal steal.
Sajen, you don't have to wait to be out bid on ebay to put in you ultimate bid. You could have bid your top bid and it would only show the amount necessary to outbid the previous bidder. Waiting to the last minute doesn't save you any money and in this case it lost you the items.
With a little cleaning and tender care these would be lovely additions to any collection.

Hi David,

yes I know. The first bid at Oktober 31 I give for watching, the second I give at work hastily because I am very busy. I come home very late and run up to my pc and in this bustle I have done the mistake to bid to low. You can't imagine how angry I have been to myself after I have lost the auction!

Detlef

Rick · 7th November 2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi David,

yes I know. The first bid at Oktober 31 I give for watching, the second I give at work hastily because I am very busy. I come home very late and run up to my pc and in this bustle I have done the mistake to bid to low. You can't imagine how angry I have been to myself after I have lost the auction!

Detlef

2 Words Detlef,

Sniping software .

Did I ever tell you about the time I misplaced a decimal point in a bid ?
I meant to bid $560.00 ... instead I bid $5,600.00 !!

Of course I won that auction ...

I think these days you really have to roll the dice and bid at least 60% of perceived value; maybe even more .

I do remember getting a nice Bugis on eBay for $60.00 once ..................... back in '97 .

Best, and condolences...

Rick

BluErf · 7th November 2009, 02:19 AM

Welcome to the world of undervalued Malay kerises.

Well, I thought the keris on the right had a mighty unusual hilt for a Malay keris, and the pendoko was probably made somewhere outside the Peninsula. The blade looks like it travelled from elsewhere too. So the 2nd keris is not quite a traditional 'thoroughbred' N. Malayan keris.

The one on the left is the one that makes up most of the value I'd say, but you'd probably notice that the fullness of the hilt (Terengganu) does not fully match the almost 'gaunt' and angular looking top sheath. The wood is very good for sure, same for the batang, but its just the form and the angle at which the hilt (and therefore the peksi) joins the sheath that makes the whole combination a bit disjointing in terms of aesthetics. I'd hazard to say that this piece may be a put-together, especially with the ganja sticking tentatively out of the sheath, and not in a clear strong manner.

So don't feel too bad for yourself, Sajen.

there are better ones, just keep your eyes peeled, and go for "one-shot one kill" bidding.

A. G. Maisey · 7th November 2009, 04:02 AM

When I look at a keris I do not appraise its value as a totality, but piece by piece:- the value of the blade is X, the value of the hilt is Y ---and so on. If everything is nice, original and of one piece, it gets a loading, if we know its history it gets another loading, if it does not require any work at all it gets another loading.

With these two keris I appraised them as married, and requiring a lot of work, possibly in need of having blades changed, or a new set of dress made for one blade.

Yes, there are much, much better keris out there, but even the very worst keris has a value, and the value of these two keris is very much higher than the price they realised.

I do not sell on Ebay, and the only couple of keris I have bought off Ebay were ones that I had sold. I buy other things on Ebay, and my approach is to bid the highest amount I am prepared to pay, and to bid that amount as near to closing as possible.I used to just put my bid in at any time, and then forget it, and although this was often successful sometimes my bid would get wiped out in a bidding war. These days if I lose something, it goes for a price I was not prepared to pay anyway, and often that price is pretty stupid. When I win I usually pay a fair market price, and in my estimation, this is the key:- you don't try to get something as cheap as possible, you estimate a fair market price, and make that price your highest bid.If you get the item for less, you're winning, if you don't get it, you still win, because you have not paid more than it is worth. If you pay your highest bid, you've broken even.

In fact, I bid pretty much the same as I would if it were a live auction.

BluErf · 7th November 2009, 04:23 AM

Yes, I agree with Alan that the final bid price on the 2 kerises are still below their fair value, even with the points I have made.

Sajen · 7th November 2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

When I look at a keris I do not appraise its value as a totality, but piece by piece:- the value of the blade is X, the value of the hilt is Y ---and so on. If everything is nice, original and of one piece, it gets a loading, if we know its history it gets another loading, if it does not require any work at all it gets another loading.

With these two keris I appraised them as married, and requiring a lot of work, possibly in need of having blades changed, or a new set of dress made for one blade.

Yes, there are much, much better keris out there, but even the very worst keris has a value, and the value of these two keris is very much higher than the price they realised.

In fact, I bid pretty much the same as I would if it were a live auction.

Hello Alan,

agree with you that the value of both keris is much higher than the final selling price, this have been the reason that I am so angry with myself and it have been my mistake that I don't give a higher bid, maybe 250$.
Just another learning lesson for me.

Best,

Detlef

Sajen · 7th November 2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Welcome to the world of undervalued Malay kerises.

Well, I thought the keris on the right had a mighty unusual hilt for a Malay keris, and the pendoko was probably made somewhere outside the Peninsula. The blade looks like it travelled from elsewhere too. So the 2nd keris is not quite a traditional 'thoroughbred' N. Malayan keris.

The one on the left is the one that makes up most of the value I'd say, but you'd probably notice that the fullness of the hilt (Terengganu) does not fully match the almost 'gaunt' and angular looking top sheath. The wood is very good for sure, same for the batang, but its just the form and the angle at which the hilt (and therefore the peksi) joins the sheath that makes the whole combination a bit disjointing in terms of aesthetics. I'd hazard to say that this piece may be a put-together, especially with the ganja sticking tentatively out of the sheath, and not in a clear strong manner.

So don't feel too bad for yourself, Sajen.

there are better ones, just keep your eyes peeled, and go for "one-shot one kill" bidding.

Hello BluErf,

you're right, both not perfect and a hilt like from the keris on the right side I also have never seen before but it seems to be a old one.

Thank you for your kind words,

Detlef

Sajen · 7th November 2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

2 Words Detlef,

Sniping software .

........

Best, and condolences...

Rick

Hello Rick,

thank's for the condolences!

Yes, I am sure that the winner use sniping software, the bid 2 second before the end of the auction is a sign for this.

And this what happened to you with the decimal point happened to me also. In Germany we have to set a "," in american e-bay you have to set a "." so I give a bid from 120,000.00 $

I also win this auction!

Yes, like I write before it have been my mistake that I don't give a higher bid but all have been to slow to correct it. Now I can laugh again.

Best,

Detlef

7th November 2009, 02:19 AM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Welcome to the world of undervalued Malay kerises. Well, I thought the keris on the right had a mighty unusual hilt for a Malay keris, and the pendoko was probably made somewhere outside the Peninsula. The blade looks like it travelled from elsewhere too. So the 2nd keris is not quite a traditional 'thoroughbred' N. Malayan keris. The one on the left is the one that makes up most of the value I'd say, but you'd probably notice that the fullness of the hilt (Terengganu) does not fully match the almost 'gaunt' and angular looking top sheath. The wood is very good for sure, same for the batang, but its just the form and the angle at which the hilt (and therefore the peksi) joins the sheath that makes the whole combination a bit disjointing in terms of aesthetics. I'd hazard to say that this piece may be a put-together, especially with the ganja sticking tentatively out of the sheath, and not in a clear strong manner. So don't feel too bad for yourself, Sajen. there are better ones, just keep your eyes peeled, and go for "one-shot one kill" bidding.

7th November 2009, 04:02 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	When I look at a keris I do not appraise its value as a totality, but piece by piece:- the value of the blade is X, the value of the hilt is Y ---and so on. If everything is nice, original and of one piece, it gets a loading, if we know its history it gets another loading, if it does not require any work at all it gets another loading. With these two keris I appraised them as married, and requiring a lot of work, possibly in need of having blades changed, or a new set of dress made for one blade. Yes, there are much, much better keris out there, but even the very worst keris has a value, and the value of these two keris is very much higher than the price they realised. I do not sell on Ebay, and the only couple of keris I have bought off Ebay were ones that I had sold. I buy other things on Ebay, and my approach is to bid the highest amount I am prepared to pay, and to bid that amount as near to closing as possible.I used to just put my bid in at any time, and then forget it, and although this was often successful sometimes my bid would get wiped out in a bidding war. These days if I lose something, it goes for a price I was not prepared to pay anyway, and often that price is pretty stupid. When I win I usually pay a fair market price, and in my estimation, this is the key:- you don't try to get something as cheap as possible, you estimate a fair market price, and make that price your highest bid.If you get the item for less, you're winning, if you don't get it, you still win, because you have not paid more than it is worth. If you pay your highest bid, you've broken even. In fact, I bid pretty much the same as I would if it were a live auction.

7th November 2009, 04:23 AM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Yes, I agree with Alan that the final bid price on the 2 kerises are still below their fair value, even with the points I have made.