Filipino Slam Fire Rifle

Spunjer · 6th November 2009, 01:13 PM

w

w!!! nice paltik, kino! i wonder how many of these are still in existence...

Battara · 6th November 2009, 05:39 PM

thanks for sharing - not seen these before and good to see the okir on the bottom.

nacho · 6th November 2009, 06:13 PM

Ilonggos (Panay) in the Philippines have been making these improvised shotguns up to 1972, when martial law was declared and prohibited the possession of unlicensed firearms.

I remember they called it "pugakang". The center of production was centered around Pototan town, northeast of Iloilo.

Spunjer might remember this.

trenchwarfare · 8th November 2009, 05:47 AM

Believe it or not. During WWII, a version of this weapon was made by Harrington and Richardson, in the US. They were air dropped to guerilla units, fighting the Japanese. The stocks, are even branded, "Guerilla Gun".

trenchwarfare · 9th January 2013, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by trenchwarfare

Believe it or not. During WWII, a version of this weapon was made by Harrington and Richardson, in the US. They were air dropped to guerilla units, fighting the Japanese. The stocks, are even branded, "Guerilla Gun".

I was going through some old posts, and came across this. I must correct myself.
H&R, did NOT make the "Guerilla Gun", for use in WWII. They were made post war, by Richardson Industries. The company was started by Iliff D. Richardson. He has the distinction of being one of the oly US personnel, to hold rank in the USN, and US Army. Being both Ensign, and Captain. He stayed behind in the Filippines, to organize a resistance movement, and also over saw the mfg. of Paliuntod guns. These were of better quality than the local examples. After the war, he tried to make them commercially, but the venture was an utter failure. Richardson "Guerilla Guns" are scarce, and fairly expensive. Sorry for the misinformation.

trenchwarfare · 9th January 2013, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trenchwarfare

Believe it or not. During WWII, a version of this weapon was made by Harrington and Richardson, in the US. They were air dropped to guerilla units, fighting the Japanese. The stocks, are even branded, "Guerilla Gun".

I was going through some old posts, and came across this. I must correct myself.
H&R, did NOT make the "Guerilla Gun", for use in WWII. They were made post war, by Richardson Industries. The company was started by Iliff D. Richardson. He has the distinction of being one of the oly US personnel, to hold rank in the USN, and US Army. Being both Ensign, and Captain. He stayed behind in the Filippines, to organize a resistance movement, and also over saw the mfg. of Paliuntod guns. These were of better quality than the local examples. After the war, he tried to make them commercially, but the venture was an utter failure. Richardson "Guerilla Guns" are scarce, and fairly expensive. Sorry for the misinformation.

fearn · 10th January 2013, 11:43 PM

There's a you tube video out there of a Richardson slam-fire being fired. Thing still works.

My question: does anyone know of a paliuntod associated with Richardson, or at least with the WWII resistance?

kronckew · 11th January 2013, 07:36 AM

y'all had to resurrect this one. now i have to buy a bunch of coriander, eggs and garlic again.

Spunjer · 8th November 2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nacho

Ilonggos (Panay) in the Philippines have been making these improvised shotguns up to 1972, when martial law was declared and prohibited the possession of unlicensed firearms.

I remember they called it "pugakang". The center of production was centered around Pototan town, northeast of Iloilo.

Spunjer might remember this.

nacho,
the pugakang i remember were the ones used by "Familia-Familias" (Frats in manila, gangbangers here in the states)....
didn't know Pototan was the center of production. lol, that wasn't too far from Tabuk Suba, where we used to lived...

kino · 8th November 2009, 04:29 PM

Danao was just a several minutes away from where I used to live.
Danao is suppose to be the paltik capital of the PI

Photo of a paltik below.

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Believe it or not. During WWII, a version of this weapon was made by Harrington and Richardson, in the US. They were air dropped to guerilla units, fighting the Japanese. The stocks, are even branded, "Guerilla Gun".

I have heard of the Liberator Pistols being dropped behind enemy lines, I have seen a few of the pistols for sale. Now I have to search for the Guerilla Gun.

Spunjer · 9th November 2009, 03:34 AM

Maranao warriors, circa 1900's....

nacho · 9th November 2009, 03:42 PM

But Moro warriors did not just use improvised guns. Based on Spanish accounts in the 1800s, the moros also used imported firearms. I recently acquired an 1856 British Enfield from a moro family. They claim it has been with their family for several generations. The Enfield has a TOWER mark (with 1856 0n top) and the usual Crown and VR (Victoria Regina) mark.

There are numerous accounts of the Sultan of Sulu trying to acquire British guns by way of Singapore.

A number of 1856 Enfields were sent to India for the British East India Company. Sikhs in the British Army rebelled when rumor spread that the paper-wrapped cartridge of the Enfield was coated with animal fat.

I am sure these guns were traded extensively in the area -- including the Sulu zone.

6th November 2009, 06:13 PM	#3
nacho Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Makati Posts: 69	pugakang Ilonggos (Panay) in the Philippines have been making these improvised shotguns up to 1972, when martial law was declared and prohibited the possession of unlicensed firearms. I remember they called it "pugakang". The center of production was centered around Pototan town, northeast of Iloilo. Spunjer might remember this.

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Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Maranao warriors, circa 1900's.... Attached Images

6th November 2009, 01:13 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	w w!!! nice paltik, kino! i wonder how many of these are still in existence...

6th November 2009, 05:39 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	thanks for sharing - not seen these before and good to see the okir on the bottom.

8th November 2009, 05:47 AM	#4
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	Believe it or not. During WWII, a version of this weapon was made by Harrington and Richardson, in the US. They were air dropped to guerilla units, fighting the Japanese. The stocks, are even branded, "Guerilla Gun".

10th January 2013, 11:43 PM	#7
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	There's a you tube video out there of a Richardson slam-fire being fired. Thing still works. My question: does anyone know of a paliuntod associated with Richardson, or at least with the WWII resistance?

11th January 2013, 07:36 AM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,238	y'all had to resurrect this one. now i have to buy a bunch of coriander, eggs and garlic again.

9th November 2009, 03:42 PM	#12
nacho Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Makati Posts: 69	But Moro warriors did not just use improvised guns. Based on Spanish accounts in the 1800s, the moros also used imported firearms. I recently acquired an 1856 British Enfield from a moro family. They claim it has been with their family for several generations. The Enfield has a TOWER mark (with 1856 0n top) and the usual Crown and VR (Victoria Regina) mark. There are numerous accounts of the Sultan of Sulu trying to acquire British guns by way of Singapore. A number of 1856 Enfields were sent to India for the British East India Company. Sikhs in the British Army rebelled when rumor spread that the paper-wrapped cartridge of the Enfield was coated with animal fat. I am sure these guns were traded extensively in the area -- including the Sulu zone.