A pre-Christmas present

David · 2nd November 2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

About the Ganesha hilt: Is it ivory? It is to seen some porosity under his trunk. From the colour and the cracks it look like ivory.
And what do you think from where this hilt? I have never seen a hilt like this.

Hard to tell from the photo you provided. It might be horn (antler). I have something similar that i believe could be of Maduran origin.

Sajen · 2nd November 2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Hard to tell from the photo you provided. It might be horn (antler). I have something similar that i believe could be of Maduran origin.

Hello David,

my guess is also deer horn since on the head is an inserted piece of the same material. I have had a phone with a collector friend and he also think that it is antler. About the origin: the handle shows in my eyes clearly Ganesha and my friend guess by this that the origin is Bali because the religious background. On the other hand is the design more like Cirebon or Madura. Would you be so kind to show your handle?

Detlef

David · 3rd November 2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

About the origin: the handle shows in my eyes clearly Ganesha and my friend guess by this that the origin is Bali because the religious background. On the other hand is the design more like Cirebon or Madura. Would you be so kind to show your handle?

Detlef, this one isn't mine, but mine is a dead ringer for it (though i think mine is carved a bit better than this). I will also photograph mine in the next few days and post it.
This one has been IDed as coming from Madura so i have assumed that mine is also and since it bares quite a lot of stylistic elements in common with yours i would hazard that yours is also of the same origin. There have been enclaves of Hindus living in Madura and figurative hilts are very common there despite the Islamic majority.

Sajen · 3rd November 2009, 03:25 PM

Thank you David. There are indeed some identic elements by this hilt and it shows also Ganesha (?).

David · 3rd November 2009, 03:57 PM

I'm not convinced this is Ganesha as he seems to sport more of a beak than a trunk.

Sajen · 3rd November 2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I'm not convinced this is Ganesha as he seems to sport more of a beak than a trunk.

Maybe Garuda?

sipakatuo · 4th November 2009, 01:39 AM

Congrats Sajen, thanks for sharing the pics. Would love to see your Palembang later when cleaned.

3rd November 2009, 03:25 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,345	Thank you David. There are indeed some identic elements by this hilt and it shows also Ganesha (?).

3rd November 2009, 03:57 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	I'm not convinced this is Ganesha as he seems to sport more of a beak than a trunk.

4th November 2009, 01:39 AM	#7
sipakatuo Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	Congrats Sajen, thanks for sharing the pics. Would love to see your Palembang later when cleaned.