Sumatran / Bugis ID

David · 1st November 2009, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshah

My bad, Detlef. What I meant to say is that David has shown me an identical motives to the pendok of the keris that I am posting..

Yes Moshah, and AFAIK this is a Sulawesi keris (mine), not Sumatran.

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 06:58 PM

Thanks for the input, Gustav. I really think you got a point there. This could be a mixed bag. However the kembang kacang has the same style with the sold bugis keris in Malay Art Gallery. It gets really confused now...

Pardon me mistakes, David. What I really meant is, when I see your pix it is clear that the pendoks are identical.

However I don't think it is safe to tag the blade according to its hilt and sheath. There are always the possibility of previous owner's preferences (in changing the hilts and sheath) and also dealer's intervention.

khalifah muda · 4th November 2009, 04:16 AM

Hi there, this blade may also be from Sumbawa. Sumbawa are well known of its creative blade.
However, it is a marvelous piece you have there.

Regards.

Moshah · 4th November 2009, 07:27 AM

Hi khalifah muda.

thanks for the info. However not many people associate this blade to sumbawa attribution. Most said it's sumatera, or palembang.

Could you kindly explain where and why it was a Sumbawa's blade?

Thanks for the compliment. Are you referring to the garap or the pamor or overall?

Sorry I have to ask, since I don't possess good knowledge in recognizing this keris. So I take this chance to learn from all of you guys

khalifah muda · 4th November 2009, 07:35 AM

It's overall for the blade.
For my view the hilt it shall be possessing a Sumatran/Palembang influence.
Sheath wise from my view its has a Sulawesi influence.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshah

Hi khalifah muda.

thanks for the info. However not many people associate this blade to sumbawa attribution. Most said it's sumatera, or palembang.

Could you kindly explain where and why it was a Sumbawa's blade?

Thanks for the compliment. Are you referring to the garap or the pamor or overall?

Sorry I have to ask, since I don't possess good knowledge in recognizing this keris. So I take this chance to learn from all of you guys

Moshah · 4th November 2009, 08:01 AM

Yeah, I agree with that. Thanks for your opinion, khalifah.

Sheath is Sulawesi, and David has shown me just an exact example.

The hilt, I guess it's Sumatran / Palembang, as you do, albeit I was quite suspicious with the motives. It looks like a modern motives, and the carver seems to have the freedom to carve it out without having any strict motive to follow thru. I might be so wrong, but this is the first time I see this kind of motives on a hilt.

However the blade is still a mystery to me. Some say it's bugis riau, sumatran / palembang (I cast my vote on this), and even javanese! It could be well a mixed bag, like alan's opinion.

How about the blade? Do you really think it was a bugis sumbawa piece? Are there specific garapan / perabot that are referring to sumbawa?

khalifah muda · 4th November 2009, 08:31 AM

Yes, from my view, the blade is Sumbawa prototype/masterpiece as it is more to creative sort of dapur & pamor. Typical to the one i ever browsed with my pair of hands, too bad i didn't have a picture of it.

If the ricikan/greneng not worn off, it can help better in indentifying.

Some typical Sumatran/Palembang piece to share:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshah

Yeah, I agree with that. Thanks for your opinion, khalifah.

Sheath is Sulawesi, and David has shown me just an exact example.

The hilt, I guess it's Sumatran / Palembang, as you do, albeit I was quite suspicious with the motives. It looks like a modern motives, and the carver seems to have the freedom to carve it out without having any strict motive to follow thru. I might be so wrong, but this is the first time I see this kind of motives on a hilt.

However the blade is still a mystery to me. Some say it's bugis riau, sumatran / palembang (I cast my vote on this), and even javanese! It could be well a mixed bag, like alan's opinion.

How about the blade? Do you really think it was a bugis sumbawa piece? Are there specific garapan / perabot that are referring to sumbawa?

1st November 2009, 06:58 PM	#2
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Thanks for the input, Gustav. I really think you got a point there. This could be a mixed bag. However the kembang kacang has the same style with the sold bugis keris in Malay Art Gallery. It gets really confused now... Pardon me mistakes, David. What I really meant is, when I see your pix it is clear that the pendoks are identical. However I don't think it is safe to tag the blade according to its hilt and sheath. There are always the possibility of previous owner's preferences (in changing the hilts and sheath) and also dealer's intervention.

4th November 2009, 04:16 AM	#3
khalifah muda Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 54	Hi there, this blade may also be from Sumbawa. Sumbawa are well known of its creative blade. However, it is a marvelous piece you have there. Regards.

4th November 2009, 07:27 AM	#4
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Hi khalifah muda. thanks for the info. However not many people associate this blade to sumbawa attribution. Most said it's sumatera, or palembang. Could you kindly explain where and why it was a Sumbawa's blade? Thanks for the compliment. Are you referring to the garap or the pamor or overall? Sorry I have to ask, since I don't possess good knowledge in recognizing this keris. So I take this chance to learn from all of you guys

4th November 2009, 08:01 AM	#6
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Yeah, I agree with that. Thanks for your opinion, khalifah. Sheath is Sulawesi, and David has shown me just an exact example. The hilt, I guess it's Sumatran / Palembang, as you do, albeit I was quite suspicious with the motives. It looks like a modern motives, and the carver seems to have the freedom to carve it out without having any strict motive to follow thru. I might be so wrong, but this is the first time I see this kind of motives on a hilt. However the blade is still a mystery to me. Some say it's bugis riau, sumatran / palembang (I cast my vote on this), and even javanese! It could be well a mixed bag, like alan's opinion. How about the blade? Do you really think it was a bugis sumbawa piece? Are there specific garapan / perabot that are referring to sumbawa?