What is the equivalent of "Wahyu" in other cultures?

KuKulzA28 · 28th October 2009, 04:21 PM

I think in Tibet, weapons were traditionally stockpiled in Buddhist temples and had some significance. I've also heard that in India, weapons can be greatly revered in religious settings, from the Sikhs sanctifying blades and practicing chatka on goats to Tamils revering temple-swords dedicated to Kali... In Chinese tradition, there were swords whose purpose was the kill/exorcise evil spirits and demons, but whether these had a entity within themselves and regarded as individuals is hard to say - I think not. I have also heard of the Japanese thing, keeping huge O-tachi in Shinto shrines... but again, I don't know much... but perhaps this can help spur some discussion.

David · 28th October 2009, 07:14 PM

I would love to see this discussed as it applies to the keris in Indonesian society, but if your question is about what other culture have such weapons or object that serve this purpose i really think it is a discussion best served in the main forum where you will have the input of collectors with knowledge of a much larger variance of traditions and cultures. We really try to keep our discussion here specifically focused on the keris.

kronckew · 28th October 2009, 07:17 PM

even us poor westerners have the tradition of magical weapons, special swords like excaliber, or swords forged by elves and dwarves with mystical powers. bronze swords, (cast in stone moulds - the origin of the 'sword in the stone'?) were ritually 'killed', broken or bent, as a sacrifice to the gods, and tossed into rivers and bogs...

fearn · 29th October 2009, 01:08 AM

For those of us geeks who grew up with heroic fantasy and Dungeons and Dragons, magic swords have intelligence an ego, and/or a mission are nothing new. Thinking about it, I wonder where those ideas came from?

Words like Geas, Weird, and Fate do come to mind as rough translations for Wahyu.

I'd also point out a rather odd book The Sword of Heaven (Amazon Link), which is the reportedly true story of a shinto priest's (successful?) attempt to save the world using a magic sword. Interesting story, whether you're a true believer or not. If this did happen, I hope that collectors leave the sword where it is!

Best,

F

Rick · 29th October 2009, 03:50 AM

It wasn't Frodo ?!?!

fearn · 29th October 2009, 05:44 AM

Read the book, Rick.

David · 30th October 2009, 02:19 PM

OK, i guess a magic sword must have been involved here somewhere because i could have sworn this was first posted in the keris forum, but i see no sign of it being moved from there to hear. Well if it has always been here ignore my last post.

Rick · 30th October 2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

OK, i guess a magic sword must have been involved here somewhere because i could have sworn this was first posted in the keris forum, but i see no sign of it being moved from there to hear. Well if it has always been here ignore my last post.

Heh, heh, heh ...

Magic fingers .

A question :
What is the difference in keris culture between Isi and Wahyu ?
Fill me in .

David · 30th October 2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fearn

Words like Geas, Weird, and Fate do come to mind as rough translations for Wahyu.

Sorry Fearn, but these words don't seem to be very good or even rough translations of tghe purpose and intent of Wahyu.

28th October 2009, 04:21 PM	#1
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	I think in Tibet, weapons were traditionally stockpiled in Buddhist temples and had some significance. I've also heard that in India, weapons can be greatly revered in religious settings, from the Sikhs sanctifying blades and practicing chatka on goats to Tamils revering temple-swords dedicated to Kali... In Chinese tradition, there were swords whose purpose was the kill/exorcise evil spirits and demons, but whether these had a entity within themselves and regarded as individuals is hard to say - I think not. I have also heard of the Japanese thing, keeping huge O-tachi in Shinto shrines... but again, I don't know much... but perhaps this can help spur some discussion.

28th October 2009, 07:14 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I would love to see this discussed as it applies to the keris in Indonesian society, but if your question is about what other culture have such weapons or object that serve this purpose i really think it is a discussion best served in the main forum where you will have the input of collectors with knowledge of a much larger variance of traditions and cultures. We really try to keep our discussion here specifically focused on the keris.

28th October 2009, 07:17 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	even us poor westerners have the tradition of magical weapons, special swords like excaliber, or swords forged by elves and dwarves with mystical powers. bronze swords, (cast in stone moulds - the origin of the 'sword in the stone'?) were ritually 'killed', broken or bent, as a sacrifice to the gods, and tossed into rivers and bogs...

29th October 2009, 01:08 AM	#4
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	For those of us geeks who grew up with heroic fantasy and Dungeons and Dragons, magic swords have intelligence an ego, and/or a mission are nothing new. Thinking about it, I wonder where those ideas came from? Words like Geas, Weird, and Fate do come to mind as rough translations for Wahyu. I'd also point out a rather odd book The Sword of Heaven (Amazon Link), which is the reportedly true story of a shinto priest's (successful?) attempt to save the world using a magic sword. Interesting story, whether you're a true believer or not. If this did happen, I hope that collectors leave the sword where it is! Best, F

29th October 2009, 03:50 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	It wasn't Frodo ?!?!

29th October 2009, 05:44 AM	#6
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Read the book, Rick.

30th October 2009, 02:19 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	OK, i guess a magic sword must have been involved here somewhere because i could have sworn this was first posted in the keris forum, but i see no sign of it being moved from there to hear. Well if it has always been here ignore my last post.