15th to 16th Century North Italian Edged Weapons and Their Marks

Matchlock · 5th October 2009, 04:54 PM

These shapes, too, were very soon adopted north of the Alps.

Matchlock · 5th October 2009, 04:57 PM

More.

Matchlock · 5th October 2009, 05:31 PM

Also very popular with Landsknecht swords (not Katzbalgers).

This is a short and light type of both sword and saber that was often used by arquebusiers as an auxiliary arming. Interestingly enough, the total length of these edged weapons closely corresponded to that of the contemporary arquebuses: ca. 90-95 cm!

More on that topic tomorrow.

Michael

fearn · 5th October 2009, 05:32 PM

Neat!

Shouldn't this be in the swap section?

Matchlock · 5th October 2009, 05:39 PM

Hi fearn,

I am afraid that there is a misunderstanding:

The offer in the link is not mine and that guy states that he sold his book in 2004.

I would never swap or sell my copy neither is my name Nathan Robinson!

All this is solely shared for information of the community.

Best,
Michael

Jim McDougall · 5th October 2009, 11:10 PM

Bellisimo Maestro!!!!

Michael, welcome back!! Its so good to have you posting again, and thank you for sharing these important details from this hard to acquire book.
It is truly amazing to see how widely the influence of these Italian arms travelled, and how many of these weapons, such as the schiavona developed.
The cinqueda has always been an incredibly intriguing weapon, and it is said that the distinctive pommel of the koummya in Morocco and Algeria derived from those of the cinqueda, probably from early Venetian trade on the North African littoral.
There is clearly a wealth of detail on these markings as well, and thank you for pointing out the 'E' marking, small but profoundly important as its placement on not only the cinqueda but firearms suggests.

Very, very nicely done !

All the best,
Jim

P.S. I'd never sell my copy either!!!!

5th October 2009, 04:54 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Landsknecht Type Swords, ca. 1500-50 These shapes, too, were very soon adopted north of the Alps. Attached Images

5th October 2009, 04:57 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	More. Attached Images

5th October 2009, 05:31 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Extremely Rare Trefoliate Pommels, ca. 1500 Also very popular with Landsknecht swords (not Katzbalgers). This is a short and light type of both sword and saber that was often used by arquebusiers as an auxiliary arming. Interestingly enough, the total length of these edged weapons closely corresponded to that of the contemporary arquebuses: ca. 90-95 cm! More on that topic tomorrow. Michael Attached Images

5th October 2009, 05:32 PM	#4
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Neat! Shouldn't this be in the swap section?

5th October 2009, 05:39 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi fearn, I am afraid that there is a misunderstanding: The offer in the link is not mine and that guy states that he sold his book in 2004. I would never swap or sell my copy neither is my name Nathan Robinson! All this is solely shared for information of the community. Best, Michael

5th October 2009, 11:10 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Bellisimo Maestro!!!! Michael, welcome back!! Its so good to have you posting again, and thank you for sharing these important details from this hard to acquire book. It is truly amazing to see how widely the influence of these Italian arms travelled, and how many of these weapons, such as the schiavona developed. The cinqueda has always been an incredibly intriguing weapon, and it is said that the distinctive pommel of the koummya in Morocco and Algeria derived from those of the cinqueda, probably from early Venetian trade on the North African littoral. There is clearly a wealth of detail on these markings as well, and thank you for pointing out the 'E' marking, small but profoundly important as its placement on not only the cinqueda but firearms suggests. Very, very nicely done ! All the best, Jim P.S. I'd never sell my copy either!!!!