Pattani Naga Keris

[BluErf]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Hello Blu Erf,

could such greneng be expected from Sulawesi?

Sulawesi kerises tend to have bigger greneng. The one on your blade is unusual for Sulawesi. I've seen some of these keris blades attributed to Sumbawa, but then again, this is not verifiable.

[BluErf]

But the question I'm interested in is whether the blades are tempered.

[David]

I based my observation on a Sumatra blade that i have that has very similar greneng both in form and size. I have rarely seen greneng on Sulawesi keris at all.

[BluErf]

Originally Posted by David

I based my observation on a Sumatra blade that i have that has very similar greneng both in form and size. I have rarely seen greneng on Sulawesi keris at all.

I sold both my Sulawesi kerises with greneng. But I know my friend still has his. Something like this example is quite typical.

http://tengkurizan.fotopic.net/c1074306.html

[Gustav]

Blu Erf,

the keris from Tengkurizan collection is descripted as Riau Bugis, but you are wright, such greneng recalls a "Sumbawa feeling". Is the hilt probably Banjarmasin?

[Gustav]

In any case, the greneng on my keris seems to be smaller then every bugis I have seen...

[BluErf]

Ah yes, I didn't notice the description But I've not really seen such kerises from the Riau region.

I do not know where the hilt comes from.

[David]

Originally Posted by BluErf

I sold both my Sulawesi kerises with greneng. But I know my friend still has his. Something like this example is quite typical.

http://tengkurizan.fotopic.net/c1074306.html

But even if this were a "typical" example you must admit that it is not really all that "common" to find greneng on Sulawesi keris.
And it is nothing like Gustav's example so i am curious why you think his keris is from Sulawesi. Is this just based on the dress form?

[BluErf]

Originally Posted by David

But even if this were a "typical" example you must admit that it is not really all that "common" to find greneng on Sulawesi keris.
And it is nothing like Gustav's example so i am curious why you think his keris is from Sulawesi. Is this just based on the dress form?

Yep, based on the dress. I have no idea about the blade, really...

[Greybeard]

Now I can post some pictures of my Naga (Seluman?) keris -- old or recently
Maduran made?

Heinz

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Greybeard

Now I can post some pictures of my Naga (Seluman?) keris -- old or recently
Maduran made?

Yes, Naga Siluman (you may spell it too as 'seluman', although the correct spelling is 'siluman') Luk Tigabelas (13 luks). But surely, this is a javanese naga, I don't think it is Pattani.

Usually we count the luks, because the common Naga Siluman comes with 7 luks. But some Naga Siluman has possibility to have 9 and 11 luks too. Even yours is 13 luks. As does "carita" dhapur which usually 11 luks but some caritas also possible to have 15 luks (carita buntala) and 17 luks (carita kalenthang).
In daily chat among collectors in Jawa, this type of naga ornaments we call it as "naga primitif" (primitive naga), simple naga ornament. And the disappearing of the naga body -- we call it "naga siluman", invisible naga...

Could be old, could be recently made, it depends on the real keris in hand. I have the similar primitive naga, but not in keris size. Only palm-sized keris, or small patrem (pictures below), an amulet type of keris with rough naga carving...

GANJAWULUNG