Need translation from Arabic

Dom · 17th September 2009, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Please, translate as much as you can!!!!

Hi Ariel
here our present for your birthday

just 2 comments;
- the sentence seems to be writting in Turkish, not in Arabic

- we suppose Turkish, coze the beginning of the sentence started by a Turkish title "Hadarat"

- HADARAT - no real translation, Turkish title
- SAHAH - belong to, or , owner
- WA - and
- RASOUL - Messenger, sometime Prophet, but with the name of God (Rasoul Allah)

sorry if it's not more than that

à +

Dom

ariel · 17th September 2009, 02:05 PM

Many, many thanks!!!!!

ariel · 10th October 2009, 09:34 PM

OK, I just etched it. needed to go to UNDILUTED ferric chloride solution from Radio Shack.
It is wootz, but I can see it only in certain small areas. The rest became (very nice) solid dark grey.
Question#1: why only certain areas? Why did it need such a strong solution? Does the etching solution become old ( mine is very old)? Will getting new stuff help?
Question #2: obviously, this is a remounted old blade. Some Turk needed a sword ( probably, WWI), and used an ancestral (?) blade.
Should I fit it with a new handle/crossguard? I have a full set for a Syrian ( bedawi) handle and a Persian/Syrian type iron crossguard, likely, what it had at least in it's second incarnation ( before the military monstrosity).

ALEX · 11th October 2009, 10:17 AM

Ariel,
It is common, especially on older blades with low contrast sham wootz, to see "patches" of wootz. Many reasons - wear, corrosion, re-polishing, heat exposure/experiments/vandalism, original under/over-development, etc. I think it's later, and the heat was not properly controlled when the blade was made, hence wootz was not developed on entire surface. This would also explain the need of strong etchant and the resultant mix of grey-coloured and low-contrast wootz segments.
The FeCl solution will expire, so it's better to discard it after use, and use new solution.
I would re-mount with Ottoman fittings as first choice, and Persian/Syrian as a second.
This is very,very nice blade, Ariel, and especially being wootz!

10th October 2009, 09:34 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	OK, I just etched it. needed to go to UNDILUTED ferric chloride solution from Radio Shack. It is wootz, but I can see it only in certain small areas. The rest became (very nice) solid dark grey. Question#1: why only certain areas? Why did it need such a strong solution? Does the etching solution become old ( mine is very old)? Will getting new stuff help? Question #2: obviously, this is a remounted old blade. Some Turk needed a sword ( probably, WWI), and used an ancestral (?) blade. Should I fit it with a new handle/crossguard? I have a full set for a Syrian ( bedawi) handle and a Persian/Syrian type iron crossguard, likely, what it had at least in it's second incarnation ( before the military monstrosity). Attached Images

11th October 2009, 10:17 AM	#4
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Ariel, It is common, especially on older blades with low contrast sham wootz, to see "patches" of wootz. Many reasons - wear, corrosion, re-polishing, heat exposure/experiments/vandalism, original under/over-development, etc. I think it's later, and the heat was not properly controlled when the blade was made, hence wootz was not developed on entire surface. This would also explain the need of strong etchant and the resultant mix of grey-coloured and low-contrast wootz segments. The FeCl solution will expire, so it's better to discard it after use, and use new solution. I would re-mount with Ottoman fittings as first choice, and Persian/Syrian as a second. This is very,very nice blade, Ariel, and especially being wootz! Last edited by ALEX; 11th October 2009 at 10:33 AM.

17th September 2009, 02:05 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Many, many thanks!!!!!