Movies and Edged Weapons Pt. 2

ThePepperSkull · 4th September 2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HangPC2

The Queen Of Langkasuka (2008)

One thing that came to mind immediately when I saw the trailer for this was how there were a lot of malay/indonesian Keris daggers in the beginning of the trailer, and at the end we see stuntman-turned-leading actor Dan Chupong wielding a Moro or Bruneian-type kris sword.

was that just me or was he just holding a big keris as opposed to a kris?

Here is a pic featuring Dan Chupong in the centre, holding the weapon in question with his outstretched arm:

kronckew · 4th September 2009, 08:24 PM

was intrigued by the movie trailer, so i found a copy of the dvd with english subtitles, just finished watching it. not only were there lots of keris, but there were in fact many moro kris, complete with kakatua grips, horses hoof grips, baca-baca and all. the blade the head army guy used had an ivory kakatua grip, and a distinct central ridge. there were also quite a number of dyak swords amoungst the pirates, and even one interesting axe. looked like copper breastplates, some bronze spears and quite a few flintlocks. they even worked in leonardo style hang gliders, a neat form of chain shot and even some ninjas. japanese armour, plate suits, and a few more items of interest here. even the dragon mouthed cannon... most of the edged weapons looked like the real thing, at least in the quick glimpses. i think they must have had acess to a museum or an old armoury somewhere.

all in all a quite good film. you do need to get it with your languages subtitles if you do not speak the language.

KuKulzA28 · 4th September 2009, 09:33 PM

Definitely adding "The Queens of Lang-Kasuka" to my TO SEE list!

anyone heard of Seediq Bale? It is a Taiwanese film supposed to come out this fall - last I heard. It is about the Wushe Rebellion, the Atayal Seediq's last attempt to free themselves of Japanese rule... though the warriors carrying out the mgaga with their laraw must have know the futility of facing thousands of modern soldiers, planes, and artillery with their spears, guns, bows, and swords.

youtube trailer of Seediq Bale

ariel · 5th September 2009, 12:53 AM

Two recent Russian movies
"Taras Bulba", after Gogol's novel (kozaks vs the Poles)
"1612", Polish invasion of Russia.
Both have plenty of kilijes, shamshirs, karabelas and fights galore.
Russian jingoism double galore.
But both utterly enjoyable and supervbly made.

Gavin Nugent · 5th September 2009, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Two recent Russian movies
"Taras Bulba", after Gogol's novel (kozaks vs the Poles)
"1612", Polish invasion of Russia.
Both have plenty of kilijes, shamshirs, karabelas and fights galore.
Russian jingoism double galore.
But both utterly enjoyable and supervbly made.

I look forward to viewing them Ariel, are they easily found?

I hope subtitled too...

Gav

ariel · 5th September 2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by freebooter

I look forward to viewing them Ariel, are they easily found?

I hope subtitled too...

Gav

http://www.russiandvd.com/store/prod...d=&genresubid=

http://www.ruskniga.com/sell.asp/Ite...ory/DVD/sc/194

I do not know what system do you have down under, but they can be played on the computer. You will have to learn Russian, though..... :-)

ThePepperSkull · 3rd January 2010, 08:07 AM

A closer look at Dan Chupong's Lord Jarang Character with his Kris Sundang:

Very interesting. The sheath is lovely, and to me has a very Keris Sundang Melayu (as opposed to Mindanao/Moro kris) feel to it. The handle is nice, however the pommel seems little off. Is there any historical precedence for this specific kind of kakatua-like pommel, or should this just be chalked up to movie reproduction being a little less than historically accurate (which in this context wouldn't be a problem as this is a fantasy film anyhow.

)

I'm also trying to get a good screenshot of the blade, which from what I can tell has three waves.

Lee · 3rd January 2010, 03:40 PM

Yesterday I stumbled on to Valley of the Kings (1954) on TCM. Oddly (and the script writer clearly knew it, as a character questioned same being so far east), there was a 'Tuareg' band camped close to the Nile. Captured and challenged as a liar, the lead had to prove himself with takouba and shield: the shields actually looked convincingly genuine and a decent effort had been made on the sword props. Largely filmed on location, the movie is still enjoyable as a travelogue and the fight choreography was, at least, interesting.

kronckew · 3rd January 2010, 05:08 PM

a segment of the film with the aforementioned fight scene:
Linky to video
not bad...

KuKulzA28 · 3rd January 2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

a segment of the film with the aforementioned fight scene:
Linky to video
not bad...

you're right, not bad at all... I was expecting cheesy and inaccurate... but you know what, the fight scene was enjoyable... not overly clean and not overly gory... it was somewhat realistic, though I got the impression that neither was a skilled fighter but that the local at least had some sword&shield experience (I know its a movie)...

I like how there was shield bashing, shield parrying, sword disarms... and cleverness on the archeologist's part, though pulling off the face-covering was kinda low... the local lost his will after that. But hey, the archeologist coulda thrown some elbows and knees...

ThePepperSkull · 5th September 2009, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

was intrigued by the movie trailer, so i found a copy of the dvd with english subtitles, just finished watching it. not only were there lots of keris, but there were in fact many moro kris, complete with kakatua grips, horses hoof grips, baca-baca and all. the blade the head army guy used had an ivory kakatua grip, and a distinct central ridge. there were also quite a number of dyak swords amoungst the pirates, and even one interesting axe. looked like copper breastplates, some bronze spears and quite a few flintlocks. they even worked in leonardo style hang gliders, a neat form of chain shot and even some ninjas. japanese armour, plate suits, and a few more items of interest here. even the dragon mouthed cannon... most of the edged weapons looked like the real thing, at least in the quick glimpses. i think they must have had acess to a museum or an old armoury somewhere.

all in all a quite good film. you do need to get it with your languages subtitles if you do not speak the language.

I've actually found a DVDrip torrent of the film and am watching it now with some english subtitles I found separately. Dan Chupong and Tony Jaa (the latter is not in the movie) are great stuntmen.

And his kris with the kakatua pommel is very nice. It's great to see the detail of research they put into the costuming for this semi-fantasy film. The kakatua pommel DOES look a little off to me though. Again, this could be any number of reasons, but it is a thai production and a lot of cultures' weapons from neighboring regions have been borrowed for aesthetic purposes.

In any case, it's great to see a swashbuckling movie taking place somewhere that's not commonly shown in films. And being that I'm filipino with some Indonesian and moro ancrestry, it's great to see a fantasy film inspired by malay folklore for a change.

PLUS, you can never go wrong with pirate ninjas.

3rd January 2010, 08:07 AM	#7
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	A closer look at Dan Chupong's Lord Jarang Character with his Kris Sundang: Very interesting. The sheath is lovely, and to me has a very Keris Sundang Melayu (as opposed to Mindanao/Moro kris) feel to it. The handle is nice, however the pommel seems little off. Is there any historical precedence for this specific kind of kakatua-like pommel, or should this just be chalked up to movie reproduction being a little less than historically accurate (which in this context wouldn't be a problem as this is a fantasy film anyhow. ) I'm also trying to get a good screenshot of the blade, which from what I can tell has three waves. Last edited by ThePepperSkull; 3rd January 2010 at 07:48 PM.

3rd January 2010, 03:40 PM	#8
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 937	Tuareg in Egypt?!? Valley of the Kings Yesterday I stumbled on to Valley of the Kings (1954) on TCM. Oddly (and the script writer clearly knew it, as a character questioned same being so far east), there was a 'Tuareg' band camped close to the Nile. Captured and challenged as a liar, the lead had to prove himself with takouba and shield: the shields actually looked convincingly genuine and a decent effort had been made on the sword props. Largely filmed on location, the movie is still enjoyable as a travelogue and the fight choreography was, at least, interesting.

4th September 2009, 08:24 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,227	was intrigued by the movie trailer, so i found a copy of the dvd with english subtitles, just finished watching it. not only were there lots of keris, but there were in fact many moro kris, complete with kakatua grips, horses hoof grips, baca-baca and all. the blade the head army guy used had an ivory kakatua grip, and a distinct central ridge. there were also quite a number of dyak swords amoungst the pirates, and even one interesting axe. looked like copper breastplates, some bronze spears and quite a few flintlocks. they even worked in leonardo style hang gliders, a neat form of chain shot and even some ninjas. japanese armour, plate suits, and a few more items of interest here. even the dragon mouthed cannon... most of the edged weapons looked like the real thing, at least in the quick glimpses. i think they must have had acess to a museum or an old armoury somewhere. all in all a quite good film. you do need to get it with your languages subtitles if you do not speak the language.

4th September 2009, 09:33 PM	#3
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Definitely adding "The Queens of Lang-Kasuka" to my TO SEE list! anyone heard of Seediq Bale? It is a Taiwanese film supposed to come out this fall - last I heard. It is about the Wushe Rebellion, the Atayal Seediq's last attempt to free themselves of Japanese rule... though the warriors carrying out the mgaga with their laraw must have know the futility of facing thousands of modern soldiers, planes, and artillery with their spears, guns, bows, and swords. youtube trailer of Seediq Bale

5th September 2009, 12:53 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Two recent Russian movies "Taras Bulba", after Gogol's novel (kozaks vs the Poles) "1612", Polish invasion of Russia. Both have plenty of kilijes, shamshirs, karabelas and fights galore. Russian jingoism double galore. But both utterly enjoyable and supervbly made.

3rd January 2010, 05:08 PM	#9
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,227	a segment of the film with the aforementioned fight scene: Linky to video not bad...