Opinions on this sword

M ELEY · 31st August 2009, 08:01 PM

Pics of iron hilts...

M ELEY · 31st August 2009, 08:31 PM

Finally got the pics to load. The top piece is a mystery to me. It generally resembles a m1845 British boarding cutlass that has been realtered or it is another one-off copy for private purchase use. Note the corrigated iron grip and odd construction of sword. The blade on this one is straight for almost int's entire length until the end, when it makes an abrupt curve (saw a few blades like it in Neumann. Rev War era??) This earlier blade was set into the fully constructed hilt and brass was poured into the empty space to set the blade. Opinions on this over the years have been varied; earlier period 1810s sword, m1845 knockoff, parts sword, etc. Opinions here?

Second piece is definitely a m1845 naval cutlass cut down and refitted in a Malay scabbard...can you say "pirate"

Pictured here for comparison of iron ribbed hilt of later mid 19th century construction...

Jim McDougall · 31st August 2009, 10:58 PM

Gasp!!!! Wow!!! Mark............shiver me timbers, ya done did it!!
And these are fantastic, it sure looks to me like you've got 'privateers' cornered....and the upward curved blade in the British one. The new one has just gotta be Caribbean.
This grouping is outstanding

All the best,
Jim

M ELEY · 1st September 2009, 12:44 AM

Thanks, Jim. I knew the pirate in you might like these-

I think you are right that the new one is Caribbean. Very glad to add it to the collection. I know you are busy on the raod, but I was wondering what you thought of the top one? As I said, it resembles the m1845, but in other ways, it looks like some of the earlier ones in Gilkerson. Hard to tell with it's unusual pattern. Anyway, glad to have a handle on the original piece discussed. I mostly posted these to bring home the point of the iron grips, which until someone else disputes it, seems to have originated with the Brit patterns around 1790s.

31st August 2009, 08:01 PM	#1
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31st August 2009, 08:31 PM	#2
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,165	Finally got the pics to load. The top piece is a mystery to me. It generally resembles a m1845 British boarding cutlass that has been realtered or it is another one-off copy for private purchase use. Note the corrigated iron grip and odd construction of sword. The blade on this one is straight for almost int's entire length until the end, when it makes an abrupt curve (saw a few blades like it in Neumann. Rev War era??) This earlier blade was set into the fully constructed hilt and brass was poured into the empty space to set the blade. Opinions on this over the years have been varied; earlier period 1810s sword, m1845 knockoff, parts sword, etc. Opinions here? Second piece is definitely a m1845 naval cutlass cut down and refitted in a Malay scabbard...can you say "pirate" Pictured here for comparison of iron ribbed hilt of later mid 19th century construction...

31st August 2009, 10:58 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,292	Gasp!!!! Wow!!! Mark............shiver me timbers, ya done did it!! And these are fantastic, it sure looks to me like you've got 'privateers' cornered....and the upward curved blade in the British one. The new one has just gotta be Caribbean. This grouping is outstanding All the best, Jim

1st September 2009, 12:44 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,165	Thanks, Jim. I knew the pirate in you might like these- I think you are right that the new one is Caribbean. Very glad to add it to the collection. I know you are busy on the raod, but I was wondering what you thought of the top one? As I said, it resembles the m1845, but in other ways, it looks like some of the earlier ones in Gilkerson. Hard to tell with it's unusual pattern. Anyway, glad to have a handle on the original piece discussed. I mostly posted these to bring home the point of the iron grips, which until someone else disputes it, seems to have originated with the Brit patterns around 1790s.