Sumbawa keris for enjoy and discussion

Sajen · 25th August 2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Sajen,

to me it looks really good now

Have you seen this? I think, it would be interesting for you.

http://keris.fotopic.net/c1391296.html

Gustav,

thank's, yes this hilt fits very good with all other, I every time change between both hilts.
The keris from the link I know from this site, a very nice keris indeed, thank's for the link.

Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 26th August 2009, 01:29 AM

All education costs money.

It is not possible to complete even kindergarten satisfactorily unless a child has parents who are able and prepared to spend money.

To gain a Phd., what is the total cost?

This dictum of education costing money holds true in any field that I can think of, and it most definitely holds true in respect of keris. My own education in the keris has cost me far more than I can count, or would want to count.

But I can remember many of the better lessons that I gained along the way. Probably the best single lesson was the exquisite keris singo barong kinatah that I bought from a very well known dealer in Jakarta in about 1974. At that time I had already collected and studied keris for more than 15 years, but my lessons in the keris had been learnt outside Indonesia, and outside the Javanese keris trade.

It took until about 1980 before I had gained sufficient knowledge to understand that the superb keris singo barong that I bought in Jakarta some years previously was in fact a total falsification. In fact, I learnt this by meeting the man who had very probably carried out the falsification, and who lived in Jln. Wates in Jogjakarta; I am quite comfortable in giving this information, as the gentleman of whom I speak left the land of the living some years ago.

Perhaps the best place to gain an education in the keris is in the market place, which means of course that our teachers will be dealers, at least in the first instance. However, perhaps the lesson taught by that dealer, will not become obvious until some later date, as was the case with the singo barong I bought during the time I was still in kindergarten.

Alternatively, there is the choice not to learn at all, but simply to believe whatever we will.

rasdan · 26th August 2009, 07:47 AM

G'day Alan,

Thank you Alan for sharing your experience. It would give us new collectors very good points to ponder on.

Hello Sajen,

I had never handled this type of keris before, hope you dont mind me giving some opinions on this.

I think the sheath is not made for the blade. The original sheath mouth is too big for the blade, so someone had enlarged the opening and glued a piece of horn on top of it creating a new sheath mouth which fits perfectly to the blade and it looks original. Why i say this? It is because the horn on top of a sampir does not have any other function that i can think of than what i had said. Additional part must serve a function in my opinion.

Sorry if i am being too straight foward Sajen.

Regards,
Rasdan

26th August 2009, 07:47 AM	#3
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	G'day Alan, Thank you Alan for sharing your experience. It would give us new collectors very good points to ponder on. Hello Sajen, I had never handled this type of keris before, hope you dont mind me giving some opinions on this. I think the sheath is not made for the blade. The original sheath mouth is too big for the blade, so someone had enlarged the opening and glued a piece of horn on top of it creating a new sheath mouth which fits perfectly to the blade and it looks original. Why i say this? It is because the horn on top of a sampir does not have any other function that i can think of than what i had said. Additional part must serve a function in my opinion. Sorry if i am being too straight foward Sajen. Regards, Rasdan Last edited by rasdan; 26th August 2009 at 09:22 AM.

26th August 2009, 01:29 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	All education costs money. It is not possible to complete even kindergarten satisfactorily unless a child has parents who are able and prepared to spend money. To gain a Phd., what is the total cost? This dictum of education costing money holds true in any field that I can think of, and it most definitely holds true in respect of keris. My own education in the keris has cost me far more than I can count, or would want to count. But I can remember many of the better lessons that I gained along the way. Probably the best single lesson was the exquisite keris singo barong kinatah that I bought from a very well known dealer in Jakarta in about 1974. At that time I had already collected and studied keris for more than 15 years, but my lessons in the keris had been learnt outside Indonesia, and outside the Javanese keris trade. It took until about 1980 before I had gained sufficient knowledge to understand that the superb keris singo barong that I bought in Jakarta some years previously was in fact a total falsification. In fact, I learnt this by meeting the man who had very probably carried out the falsification, and who lived in Jln. Wates in Jogjakarta; I am quite comfortable in giving this information, as the gentleman of whom I speak left the land of the living some years ago. Perhaps the best place to gain an education in the keris is in the market place, which means of course that our teachers will be dealers, at least in the first instance. However, perhaps the lesson taught by that dealer, will not become obvious until some later date, as was the case with the singo barong I bought during the time I was still in kindergarten. Alternatively, there is the choice not to learn at all, but simply to believe whatever we will.