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23rd August 2009, 08:58 PM
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Here is a picture from the palace of Governors in Santa Fe, which shows a hide shield - adarga, and something next to it which I suppose might be one of those leg protectors.
Unfortunately, the museum did not have a specimen of the cuera leather jacket exhibited, as far as I recall. Maybe there is one in poor shape in the museum storage? Regards, Teodor |
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26th August 2009, 11:33 PM
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Thank you Teodor for posting this wonderful display at the Palace of the Governors in Santa Fe. I missed this when I was there due to a great deal of construction underway, and they clearly put together some wonderful pieces here.
The bocas and adarga are great, but I really dont believe they have the cuera. The espada ancha there was beautifully restored several years ago. I have found that an outstanding example of cuerra is among the holdings at the Museo del Ejercito in Madrid, and it is noted that these typically carried more adornment, much of it lost from this 18th century item. The photo is among material from the Texas historical group preserving this magnificent history, The Second Flying Company of Alamo de Parras. 18th Century 'cuerra' armour of the soldados de cuero: |
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27th August 2009, 02:08 AM
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Hi Guys,
Is it tied on the sides? Could Ponchos be a poorman's version of the cuera, protecting its wearer from the "ortigas" and cactuses? Best Manuel BTW, JIm, pleeze do contribute to my shipping question... |
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27th August 2009, 01:20 PM
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Like Woodstock..?
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27th August 2009, 07:27 PM
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Actually.....despite the purple haze...the 'poncho' was indeed popular attire in that blur  Best, Jim |
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2nd September 2009, 06:58 PM
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Hi Jim, can i assault this thread, now that the cuera theme in the appointed context has slowed down?
I assume we all know that this apparatus was previously more of a complementary armour element than an exterior attire. At a certain period it was used to defend parts of the body and pad the upper part, in order to absorb the hardness of the steel cuirass. The name in portuguese is coura; i realize however that this type of gear also had its momens of glory in various other countries, of course. I know where there is one for sale (where else could it be?  ); i just don't even ask for its price, afraid i couldn't reach it.The example in the pictures is in the Oporto military museum. I bet guys like Michael can put up pictures with magnificent examples Fernando . |
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27th August 2009, 06:19 AM
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Good observation Manuel, but I think the poncho was intended as more of a garment for warmth and protection from the elements, while the chaps worn by cowboys likely did develop from the 'bocas' leggings. Thank you Fearn! Actually I had some help from a very good friend in Spain Manuel, I'm afraid I really cannot speak to this topic as my collecting days ended some time ago, and I have neither shipped nor received weapons in years. In those times however, an item listed as antique (over 100 yrs old) typically never had problems. All the best, Jim |
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