Pattani Naga Keris

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Greybeard

.. The reason I ask about Pattanese naga keris is that I have been offered an old (or at least old looking) "Naga Timbul" 13 luk keris which is -- in my opinion -- quite similar in appearance and condition to the straight naga keris shown in the other forum (except for the luk, of course).

Like Blu Erf suggests, caveat emptor.. perhaps a picture of the blade might assist in identifying the form..

[Greybeard]

Alam Shah, BluErf

I really appreciate your valuable information! I know next to nothing about Malay keris, because I normally limit my keris collecting to Javanese pieces.

It`s new to me (and important to know) that Northern Malay keris usually don`t have luk higher than nine. It`s really a pity that I cannot provide pictures. The keris in question is overall very Javanese in appearance, with a very wavy (rengkol) 13-luk blade. Even the hilt/scabbard are in Javanese Surakarta style ...

The feature that let me think of a Pattanese keris consists of the naga`s head which is simply executed, without much detail, but not really crude. The beard underneath the naga`s head forms a perfect round hole in the gandik. The pictures of a very similar naga`s head were posted by Mans on March 2, 2005 (thread "Is this a Javanese blade?" by BluErf).

And finally: What does "Naga Timbul" (seller`s designation) mean? A Google search lead me to some quite ugly tourist type "naga keris", offered on ebay, which indeed sport the same naga`s head as mine, but these are a whole lot cruder ...

Well, I could not resist. I like this keris, and in the meantime I purchased it. I just hope I bought a good one ...

Many thanks again for your help and best regards from (at the present) hot Switzerland,

Heinz

[David]

Originally Posted by Greybeard

The keris in question is overall very Javanese in appearance, with a very wavy (rengkol) 13-luk blade. Even the hilt/scabbard are in Javanese Surakarta style ...

Well Heinz, it sounds to me like you may have bought yourself a Javanese keris after all.
Here is the link to the thread BluErf posted back in 2005. Links are always helpful.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...javanese+blade

[Greybeard]

Hi David

Thank you for the link. Yes, the old threads are very helpful; I`ve printed out a lot of them.

I agree that I`ve probably bought a Javanese naga piece -- which is just fine since I primarily collect Javanese keris.

Regards,

Heinz

[PenangsangII]

the keris in question is an "owah-owahan" naga..... IMHO, the naga was made recently although the keris is quite old

[Greybeard]

Hi PenangsangII

An altered keris? Why not: This was my first thought, too, when I saw the pictures provided by the seller. But on the other hand, it`s always difficult to form an opinion by photos alone ...

Well, the keris will probably arrive here next week, then I will see ... I would certainly prefer an all-original old naga keris, but these are very rare (and very expensive), I think.

Thanks and regards,

Heinz

[David]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

the keris in question is an "owah-owahan" naga..... IMHO, the naga was made recently although the keris is quite old

I'm sorry, did i miss something? Have images of this keris been shown somewhere or do you have personal knowledge of this piece?

[Greybeard]

Actually, I`m wondering about the same thing ...

Heinz

[David]

Originally Posted by David

Well Heinz, it sounds to me like you may have bought yourself a Javanese keris after all.
Here is the link to the thread BluErf posted back in 2005. Links are always helpful.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...javanese+blade

Now that i have actually seen this keris i do not think that it's origins are Jawa.

[Greybeard]

Originally Posted by David

Now that i have actually seen this keris i do not think that it's origins are Jawa.

Hi David

The pictures above are posted by Gustav, not by me. Gustav`s keris is absolutely different from mine -- mine has 13 luk and is all over Javanese in appearance, including its dress.

Gustav, your keris is very nice; I like it!

Regards,

Heinz

[David]

Originally Posted by Greybeard

Hi David

The pictures above are posted by Gustav, not by me. Gustav`s keris is absolutely different from mine -- mine has 13 luk and is all over Javanese in appearance, including its dress.

Gustav, your keris is very nice; I like it!

Regards,

Heinz

Sorry, my bad, i look quickly, saw it was from a poster whose name began with "G" and made the wrong assumption.
I would still like to see yours someday Heinz if you ever get the technology to post it.
Interesting blade Gustav. Where do you think it is from?

[Greybeard]

No need to be sorry, David.

I can well understand that you would like to see pictures of my Naga keris, and I would like to show it as well. But I`m sure that I`ll be able to post pictures in the near future.

Best regards,

Heinz