Arsenic or realgar for Keris etching?

[kulbuntet]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

.....here some more (clearer) pics of the blade recently done. Notice the square peksi, as writen of in other thread. For the ones remembering, that i did promise to post pics... after long search (at my moms house). found it but did not want to show without good clean and wash. Beter late than never.

Yes it's too dark!!. I 'ld try to wash it with a little lemon juice in the water... or a lot of cream soap over my fingers (...if the cream becames yellow...great day!! )

Opinion or fact? And can you underbuild you statment how it should look like... pics please.. from a equal blade with same pamor material! Not technique. Would like to see what you like/mean.

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by kulbuntet

Opinion or fact? And can you underbuild you statment how it should look like... pics please.. from a equal blade with same pamor material! Not technique. Would like to see what you like/mean.

I dont have an equal blade with same pamor material

[kulbuntet]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

I dont have an equal blade with same pamor material

did you ever wash one like it?

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by kulbuntet

did you ever wash one like it?

like it never
...but i washed a lot (sometime a lot of time only for one blade )

[kulbuntet]

hmm, oke.

I do share you opinion that some blades have to done of and over again. I is same like handeling people man or woman( one even more difficult than other :-)
especialy when you dont know the blade/ person.... And even iff you get to know how he/she is for person.. stil have to figure out what is good or wrong. like in clothing... but the clothes have to fit..

Iff there are 2 dresses for putting one one woman... you realy like the white neat dress.... but she is size 32 and the dress is size 28.... will it fit?

just try to make a point here.. hope its clear, probaly wont be ...

let say iff i thought it was not good, for this keris.. would not have post it.. would already have washed it back.. no detergent/lime.. just cocowater.. does the job too and neutralise the arsenic still in the blade.

Would hope that you can find a pic on the net or so, to show me what contrast you prefer. Btw some of Alan's blades the besi much darker.. But also diffent background and photo's..some dry some in oil, some newisch, some old pamor... I dont think it's posible to get same results on diffrent blades, with manny diffrent factors, influencing the results. But that also it a opinion... Open for dialogue

regards

[A. G. Maisey]

Yes, in the photos this blade looks too dark.

But it may not be.

We do not know what the true colour of the material is:- we can all only work within the limits of the material.

It is not possible to make a Tuban blade look like a Surakarta blade.

Maybe what we see here is the correct colour for this blade.

Look at the examples I have posted:- there is a lot of variation in colour, and this is only a small sample, in reality, blade colours can vary a lot more than this.

Because of the limits of the material we need to be able to classify a blade according to tangguh so that we can recognise when the blade colour is correct.

[kulbuntet]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, in the photos this blade looks too dark.

But it may not be.

We do not know what the true colour of the material is:- we can all only work within the limits of the material.

It is not possible to make a Tuban blade look like a Surakarta blade.

Maybe what we see here is the correct colour for this blade.

Look at the examples I have posted:- there is a lot of variation in colour, and this is only a small sample, in reality, blade colours can vary a lot more than this.

Because of the limits of the material we need to be able to classify a blade according to tangguh so that we can recognise when the blade colour is correct.

Oke Alan, good comment.. cleary build..how can i be of asistence to give you more info to give you a clear impression of the blade (tanguh). Must i post dry pics?

addon,

this blade is when in oil (not like in pic) almost same colour.

[Marcokeris]

I always have used western (italian) lemon juice together warangan and i put the blade in the same way mr. Kulbuntet have showed in the nice pics.
If i have a blade with a little rust i'm not happy and "before or after" i finish to use warangan.
SOMETIMES i like my work (of course is my personal taste).....(sorry i dont have the pics before i used warangan)....

[Marcokeris]

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[Marcokeris]

...sometimes i dont like!

[kulbuntet]

Like Alan just say,

need to look in to Tangguh of the blade. A new erra blade will never give smame results as a tuban/mojio/matharam/jengala/pajajeran. Just diffrent material/techniques. When washing, should not use the nickel/luwu/meteor material lines as indicator when blade is done.. the iron is the indicator. Iff not black, not realy. Iff is, done.

Marco, you may just call me Michel.. No problem taken is do, or dont. Im 32 and not of royal or other high status so dont need to stay formal on this ;-)

Regards