Turkish Dagger Translation Help

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Jeff D

Hi Teodor,

While waiting for the definitive answer, my guess is that it is a Indian version of Asad Allaha Isfahan.

All the best
Jeff

Hi
the general aspect, and indeed the inlay looks "Indian",
but the mentions are in arabic,
on the blade
- in the "cartouche" at right, the Holy name of God "Allah"
- in the "cartouche" at left, the Holy name of the last Prophet "Mohamed"
- under the cartouche, the name of "Abdallah" (may be owner name ?)

on the scabbard;
"Amal Ahmed ???? Hussein"
"Made by Ahmed ???? Hussein"

due to all arabic mentions, doubtful that could be Ottoman, even Persian
dagger

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Dom

[TVV]

Dom,

Thank you very much! The scabbard is almost brand new, made a knifesmith in Bulgaria, who copied from somwhere - we can not use it for identification.

It seems that the general consensus is that the blade is Indian, with an Ottoman hilt. When it comes to names, such as Allah, Mohammed and Abdallah, is there a difference in the way they are written in Arabic, Turkish or Persian, or are they written in the same manner in all these labguages?

Best regards,
Teodor

[Dom]

Originally Posted by TVV

there a difference in the way they are written in Arabic, Turkish or Persian, or are they written in the same manner in all these labguages?

Hi Teodor
at least, in Turkish the name of Mohamed, become; Mehmet or Muhammed
but no change for; Allah or Abdallah (Abd Allah = Servant of God)

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Dom

[TVV]

Dom,

Isn't the name of the Prophet Mohamed written the same way everywhere in the Islamic world, from the Maghreb to Sumatra? If so, then the blade could be from virtually anywhere, right?

I am just wondering if names can be used to indicate whether the writing is Arabic or Turkish.

Thank you,
Teodor

[Dom]

Originally Posted by TVV

Isn't the name of the Prophet Mohamed written the same way everywhere in the Islamic world, from the Maghreb to Sumatra?

the people are writing, as they are speaking ... logic
in West Africa e.i. "Mamadou" means "Mohamed" ...

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Dom

[TVV]

Originally Posted by Dom

the people are writing, as they are speaking ... logic
in West Africa e.i. "Mamadou" means "Mohamed" ...

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Dom

Dom,

Thanks for the clarification - I thought there was a cannon when it came to the spelling of the Prophet's name and did not realize it could vary based on the local pronounciation.

I guess this means the blade is not Turkish or persian, which means India is a very likely option.

Thank you,
Teodor