Tajong for viewing pleasure and comments !

Sajen · 12th August 2009, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

Yes, that's why I say it is inspired.

But it is undoubtedly done by somebody who is very familiar with the tajong.

Sajen - I think you may need to see more tajongs to notice the subtlety.

Hello BluErf,

you are correct, I know nearly nothing about Tajong keris.

But I have learned and have been remembered from Mr. Maisey some time ago that it isn't possible to have "one luk" keris.

We cannot have a one luk keris; lowest count must be three.

You begin the count on the first luk above the gandik and finish the count on the same side of the blade, thus lowest number of luk can only be three.

But maybe I am wrong by this and this "rule" isn't valid by Tajong keris?
I know that you have a great experience by Tajong keris and I appreciate your knowledge very much, so please teach me by this.
Sincerely,

sajen

A. G. Maisey · 13th August 2009, 12:22 AM

Any person, or group of people, can decide how they wish to refer to anything.

If a person, or group of people, wish to refer to a keris with no luk, but with a blade that is clearly lurus as "luk satu", well, so be it. That is their decision.

However, according to what I have been taught, there is no such thing as "luk satu".

One luk does not exist, and logically cannot exist.

But anybody at all is entitled to his own opinion.

PenangsangII · 13th August 2009, 04:16 AM

I agree.... there's no such thing as luk satu....... and i believe it's just a recently concocted terminology......

Alan, do you think that the keris had undergone reshaping works / besutan esp at the sorsoran, to be precise, reshaping the worn out blade to display perfect ri pandan and other fret works?

A. G. Maisey · 13th August 2009, 05:56 AM

I don't know.

The sorsoran does look a bit clumsy and rigid, but whether this is the maker's inadequacy, or whether it is evidence of somebody having a bit of a fiddle, I wouldn't like to say, especially from a photo.

mykeris · 13th August 2009, 06:41 AM

Hi David, I ll comeback to our question later. Regards, Mykeris.

PenangsangII · 13th August 2009, 07:13 AM

Thanks for uploading the clearer picture of the fret works, mykeris.

looking at the blade as whole, I think it is out of proportion, especially at the sorsoran..... it doesnt widen harmoniously as a keris blade (dapur pandai saras) should be...... since this blade is quite old and dressed in Tajong hulu and sheath, I dont think it's due to the empu's inadequacy - rather, my theory is, somebody may have fiddled the blade to look good (some times to fetch a higher price).... But of course, I am not too sure about this

mykeris · 13th August 2009, 02:53 PM

Thanks for all your comments. Through close magnifying, the hilt looks to me so natural to show that the nose is not a replacement. However, it looks so odd when the carving stops unfinished and thats raised many questions. Probably, its a trend or the carver's trade mark or etc...Bluerf, you raised strong points and you are so observant, keep it up friend, ...I always overlooked on details.

As for the blade, I totally agree with Alan but will leave it to the Universe to decide. p/s: I will be posting another one for your viewing pleasure. Regards, Mykeris.

BluErf · 14th August 2009, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello BluErf,

you are correct, I know nearly nothing about Tajong keris.

But I have learned and have been remembered from Mr. Maisey some time ago that it isn't possible to have "one luk" keris.

We cannot have a one luk keris; lowest count must be three.

You begin the count on the first luk above the gandik and finish the count on the same side of the blade, thus lowest number of luk can only be three.

But maybe I am wrong by this and this "rule" isn't valid by Tajong keris?
I know that you have a great experience by Tajong keris and I appreciate your knowledge very much, so please teach me by this.
Sincerely,

sajen

Hi Sajen,

I wasn't talking about the keris blade; I was referring to the hilt being inspired.

Personally, I am not really bothered about the luk one or lurus thing, but I believe up North, they don't really refer to such blades as luk one.

13th August 2009, 06:41 AM	#5
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Additional pics of blade. Hi David, I ll comeback to our question later. Regards, Mykeris. Attached Images

13th August 2009, 02:53 PM	#7
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks for your comments. Thanks for all your comments. Through close magnifying, the hilt looks to me so natural to show that the nose is not a replacement. However, it looks so odd when the carving stops unfinished and thats raised many questions. Probably, its a trend or the carver's trade mark or etc...Bluerf, you raised strong points and you are so observant, keep it up friend, ...I always overlooked on details. As for the blade, I totally agree with Alan but will leave it to the Universe to decide. p/s: I will be posting another one for your viewing pleasure. Regards, Mykeris.

13th August 2009, 12:22 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	Any person, or group of people, can decide how they wish to refer to anything. If a person, or group of people, wish to refer to a keris with no luk, but with a blade that is clearly lurus as "luk satu", well, so be it. That is their decision. However, according to what I have been taught, there is no such thing as "luk satu". One luk does not exist, and logically cannot exist. But anybody at all is entitled to his own opinion.

13th August 2009, 04:16 AM	#3
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I agree.... there's no such thing as luk satu....... and i believe it's just a recently concocted terminology...... Alan, do you think that the keris had undergone reshaping works / besutan esp at the sorsoran, to be precise, reshaping the worn out blade to display perfect ri pandan and other fret works?

13th August 2009, 05:56 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	I don't know. The sorsoran does look a bit clumsy and rigid, but whether this is the maker's inadequacy, or whether it is evidence of somebody having a bit of a fiddle, I wouldn't like to say, especially from a photo.

13th August 2009, 07:13 AM	#6
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Thanks for uploading the clearer picture of the fret works, mykeris. looking at the blade as whole, I think it is out of proportion, especially at the sorsoran..... it doesnt widen harmoniously as a keris blade (dapur pandai saras) should be...... since this blade is quite old and dressed in Tajong hulu and sheath, I dont think it's due to the empu's inadequacy - rather, my theory is, somebody may have fiddled the blade to look good (some times to fetch a higher price).... But of course, I am not too sure about this