Tajong for viewing pleasure and comments !

BluErf · 11th August 2009, 04:12 PM

I believe the nose is a replacement.

Nicely done.

BluErf · 11th August 2009, 04:15 PM

Some of the surface of the tajong suggests that it may have been sanded down or polished to a certain extent. Too flat in some places. May have been an attempt to remove the old sapan.

mykeris · 11th August 2009, 05:08 PM

More close-ups

Sajen · 11th August 2009, 05:57 PM

Nice hilt, I don't think that it is inspired.
Can we see the complete blade please?

sajen

mykeris · 11th August 2009, 06:21 PM

Blade Length: Ganja to blade tip 36 cm

Sajen · 11th August 2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

Blade Length: Ganja to blade tip 36 cm

Hello Mykeris,

thank's for the pictures of the blade. The blade is curved but not one luk, my two cents worth estimation.

Regards,

sajen

mykeris · 11th August 2009, 11:33 PM

Thanks and sincerely noted. Another sample with blade 41 cm.

BluErf · 12th August 2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

Blade Length: Ganja to blade tip 36 cm

Yep, it's curved, but I don't know whether people up north really do consider this 1 luk. More likely straight. I had a keris from this region with a similar curved profile. Actually, come to think of it, the profile at the base of the blade is quite similar.

Notice the temper mark, which is a chevron shape. It has a name, which I cannot recall now.

Alam Shah · 11th August 2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

I believe the nose is a replacement.

Nicely done.

I suppose so.. with a sudden termination of carvings, when it reaches the nose.. it looks like a hybrid of the bangsa agong and a typical later form, perhaps..

BluErf · 12th August 2009, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

it looks like a hybrid of the bangsa agong and a typical later form, perhaps..

Yes, that's why I say it is inspired.

But it is undoubtedly done by somebody who is very familiar with the tajong.

Sajen - I think you may need to see more tajongs to notice the subtlety.

Sajen · 13th August 2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Yes, that's why I say it is inspired.

But it is undoubtedly done by somebody who is very familiar with the tajong.

Sajen - I think you may need to see more tajongs to notice the subtlety.

Hello BluErf,

you are correct, I know nearly nothing about Tajong keris.

But I have learned and have been remembered from Mr. Maisey some time ago that it isn't possible to have "one luk" keris.

We cannot have a one luk keris; lowest count must be three.

You begin the count on the first luk above the gandik and finish the count on the same side of the blade, thus lowest number of luk can only be three.

But maybe I am wrong by this and this "rule" isn't valid by Tajong keris?
I know that you have a great experience by Tajong keris and I appreciate your knowledge very much, so please teach me by this.
Sincerely,

sajen

A. G. Maisey · 13th August 2009, 01:22 AM

Any person, or group of people, can decide how they wish to refer to anything.

If a person, or group of people, wish to refer to a keris with no luk, but with a blade that is clearly lurus as "luk satu", well, so be it. That is their decision.

However, according to what I have been taught, there is no such thing as "luk satu".

One luk does not exist, and logically cannot exist.

But anybody at all is entitled to his own opinion.

PenangsangII · 13th August 2009, 05:16 AM

I agree.... there's no such thing as luk satu....... and i believe it's just a recently concocted terminology......

Alan, do you think that the keris had undergone reshaping works / besutan esp at the sorsoran, to be precise, reshaping the worn out blade to display perfect ri pandan and other fret works?

A. G. Maisey · 13th August 2009, 06:56 AM

I don't know.

The sorsoran does look a bit clumsy and rigid, but whether this is the maker's inadequacy, or whether it is evidence of somebody having a bit of a fiddle, I wouldn't like to say, especially from a photo.

BluErf · 14th August 2009, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello BluErf,

you are correct, I know nearly nothing about Tajong keris.

But I have learned and have been remembered from Mr. Maisey some time ago that it isn't possible to have "one luk" keris.

We cannot have a one luk keris; lowest count must be three.

You begin the count on the first luk above the gandik and finish the count on the same side of the blade, thus lowest number of luk can only be three.

But maybe I am wrong by this and this "rule" isn't valid by Tajong keris?
I know that you have a great experience by Tajong keris and I appreciate your knowledge very much, so please teach me by this.
Sincerely,

sajen

Hi Sajen,

I wasn't talking about the keris blade; I was referring to the hilt being inspired.

Personally, I am not really bothered about the luk one or lurus thing, but I believe up North, they don't really refer to such blades as luk one.

11th August 2009, 05:08 PM	#3
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	More close-ups More close-ups Attached Images

11th August 2009, 06:21 PM	#5
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Pics on blade Blade Length: Ganja to blade tip 36 cm Attached Images

11th August 2009, 11:33 PM	#7
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Another blade Thanks and sincerely noted. Another sample with blade 41 cm. Attached Images

11th August 2009, 04:12 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I believe the nose is a replacement. Nicely done.

11th August 2009, 04:15 PM	#2
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Some of the surface of the tajong suggests that it may have been sanded down or polished to a certain extent. Too flat in some places. May have been an attempt to remove the old sapan.

11th August 2009, 05:57 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,417	Nice hilt, I don't think that it is inspired. Can we see the complete blade please? sajen

13th August 2009, 01:22 AM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Any person, or group of people, can decide how they wish to refer to anything. If a person, or group of people, wish to refer to a keris with no luk, but with a blade that is clearly lurus as "luk satu", well, so be it. That is their decision. However, according to what I have been taught, there is no such thing as "luk satu". One luk does not exist, and logically cannot exist. But anybody at all is entitled to his own opinion.

13th August 2009, 05:16 AM	#13
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I agree.... there's no such thing as luk satu....... and i believe it's just a recently concocted terminology...... Alan, do you think that the keris had undergone reshaping works / besutan esp at the sorsoran, to be precise, reshaping the worn out blade to display perfect ri pandan and other fret works?

13th August 2009, 06:56 AM	#14
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	I don't know. The sorsoran does look a bit clumsy and rigid, but whether this is the maker's inadequacy, or whether it is evidence of somebody having a bit of a fiddle, I wouldn't like to say, especially from a photo.