Akar Bahar Hilts

Amuk Murugul · 6th August 2009, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

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No one else ..................... ?!?

No other comments ?

Hullo Rick,

Since you asked so nicely....

Oerang Soenda warriors traditionally use Akar Bahar arm-bands. Here is one of mine.(Apologies for the bad pic; it was a snap decision

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Best,

A. G. Maisey · 6th August 2009, 03:42 AM

This sort of bracelet/armband was very popular and prolific in Bali from the early 1970's on. You still see a few in the tourist traps, but quality now is not as good as it used to be.

A. G. Maisey · 6th August 2009, 04:21 AM

Here are a couple of examples of the same material, but different colours.

Black speckled and red; both made as conventional type knife hilts, fittings silver, the stone set in the pommel of the speckled one is a black star.

I've got damascus blades made for these but haven't yet had time to heat treat them.

Actually, when I throw my mind back, these were not made for conventional knives, they were made for those little Bali ceremonial axes, but I decided I'd like to use them as damascus handles.

BluErf · 6th August 2009, 02:28 PM

I have seen a Terengganu pipit teleng hilt made from black coral. It's a good sized hilt, beautifully carved, and almost all black with minimal specks and sand pits. It was brightly polished and reflects light like polished black marble.

Unfortunately, it was not for sale.

This material is devilishly hard to carve and polish. Sorry, no pictures to share...

Dave has a good sized kerdas hilt on a Bugis naga keris.

BluErf · 6th August 2009, 02:30 PM

Also, I hear that there is so much salt in these hilts that the peksi will corrode very quickly if it is not protected. So some people place a copper pipe over the peksi before attaching the hilt.

Rick · 6th August 2009, 02:30 PM

Thank you all .

I hope to see more examples .

Amuk, I think I have seen these bracelets/armbands originating from Jamaica also , now that you have shown an example .

Kai Wee, it is indeed the very devil to carve ; files seem to work best on it 'cause it tends to chip easily .
Polishes like a dream though .

I was unaware that this stuff could be bent into armbands .
Fascinating how it grows with rings like a tree .

Marcokeris · 9th August 2009, 09:08 AM

Some pics about this kind of hits.
(only one, Ganesha hit, is really very well made)

Sajen · 9th August 2009, 09:41 AM

Wow, Marco you are a very lucky man to have three hilts from this material, all three are very nice.

sajen

Gustav · 9th August 2009, 11:32 AM

They all are very beautiful, Marcoceris.

The first one reminds me of some archaical hilts. Is it probably the oldest one of these? The second has (for me) the most beautiful material, each detailed carving would disperse the attention for it.

kulbuntet · 15th August 2009, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Here are a couple of examples of the same material, but different colours.

Black speckled and red; both made as conventional type knife hilts, fittings silver, the stone set in the pommel of the speckled one is a black star.

I've got damascus blades made for these but haven't yet had time to heat treat them.

Actually, when I throw my mind back, these were not made for conventional knives, they were made for those little Bali ceremonial axes, but I decided I'd like to use them as damascus handles.

Alan,

The ceremonial Axes you mean are the sort of Balinese Wedung?

As you can see, the grip is a bit like yours. But missing the top and bottom mounts. Anny idea for resaurations appriciated! Also missing a propper sheath.

Greybeard · 17th August 2009, 06:04 AM

Thank you, Detlef. In this case I can leave the tridacna hilt on my keris (a very nice old 13-luk Mataram Senopaten blade, by the way) without risking corrosion of the pesi. Actually, I intended to replace the tridacna hilt with a common wooden planar hilt and put the tridacna hilt on display ...

Best regards,

Heinz

A. G. Maisey · 17th August 2009, 06:35 AM

No Michele, not that, although I guess it could also be used on one of those, but those wedung-like things --- from memory I think they're called pengantas --- are pretty rare. Here's a pic of the type of axe that you see nearly all Balinese men carrying during ceremonies.

Sajen · 17th August 2009, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greybeard

Thank you, Detlef. In this case I can leave the tridacna hilt on my keris (a very nice old 13-luk Mataram Senopaten blade, by the way) without risking corrosion of the pesi. Actually, I intended to replace the tridacna hilt with a common wooden planar hilt and put the tridacna hilt on display ...

Best regards,

Heinz

Like it sounds this will be better, a Jawa Deman hilt isn't good for a javanese blade. Better for a Sumatra blade.

Regards,

Detlef

kulbuntet · 17th August 2009, 09:46 PM

Hi Alan,

please use the male form of my name, Michel its more easy, you dont have to type the e...lol ;-)

Thanks for posting the pic, i never have seen it before. I did not know the name of the wedung like weapon.. i did know there was a balinese name for it, but couldnt remember it. Do you have any idea of how the mount on the top should look like? The thing is, yes they are rare, once seen one, but much lowere quality than this one... and a sort of one, but not even to talk about quality in that one. So its realy difficult for me to find reference pics.. to get the thing complete.

regards

Michel

Edit/PS btw i realy like the blackisch one.. iff ever for sale, or have other one.. pls let me know

6th August 2009, 04:21 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Here are a couple of examples of the same material, but different colours. Black speckled and red; both made as conventional type knife hilts, fittings silver, the stone set in the pommel of the speckled one is a black star. I've got damascus blades made for these but haven't yet had time to heat treat them. Actually, when I throw my mind back, these were not made for conventional knives, they were made for those little Bali ceremonial axes, but I decided I'd like to use them as damascus handles. Attached Images

6th August 2009, 02:30 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Thank you all . I hope to see more examples . Amuk, I think I have seen these bracelets/armbands originating from Jamaica also , now that you have shown an example . Kai Wee, it is indeed the very devil to carve ; files seem to work best on it 'cause it tends to chip easily . Polishes like a dream though . I was unaware that this stuff could be bent into armbands . Fascinating how it grows with rings like a tree . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 6th August 2009 at 02:48 PM.

9th August 2009, 09:08 AM	#7
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Some pics about this kind of hits. (only one, Ganesha hit, is really very well made) Attached Images

17th August 2009, 06:35 AM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	No Michele, not that, although I guess it could also be used on one of those, but those wedung-like things --- from memory I think they're called pengantas --- are pretty rare. Here's a pic of the type of axe that you see nearly all Balinese men carrying during ceremonies. Attached Images

6th August 2009, 03:42 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	This sort of bracelet/armband was very popular and prolific in Bali from the early 1970's on. You still see a few in the tourist traps, but quality now is not as good as it used to be.

6th August 2009, 02:28 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I have seen a Terengganu pipit teleng hilt made from black coral. It's a good sized hilt, beautifully carved, and almost all black with minimal specks and sand pits. It was brightly polished and reflects light like polished black marble. Unfortunately, it was not for sale. This material is devilishly hard to carve and polish. Sorry, no pictures to share... Dave has a good sized kerdas hilt on a Bugis naga keris.

9th August 2009, 09:41 AM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Wow, Marco you are a very lucky man to have three hilts from this material, all three are very nice. sajen

9th August 2009, 11:32 AM	#9
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	They all are very beautiful, Marcoceris. The first one reminds me of some archaical hilts. Is it probably the oldest one of these? The second has (for me) the most beautiful material, each detailed carving would disperse the attention for it.

17th August 2009, 06:04 AM	#11
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Thank you, Detlef. In this case I can leave the tridacna hilt on my keris (a very nice old 13-luk Mataram Senopaten blade, by the way) without risking corrosion of the pesi. Actually, I intended to replace the tridacna hilt with a common wooden planar hilt and put the tridacna hilt on display ... Best regards, Heinz

17th August 2009, 09:46 PM	#14
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Hi Alan, please use the male form of my name, Michel its more easy, you dont have to type the e...lol ;-) Thanks for posting the pic, i never have seen it before. I did not know the name of the wedung like weapon.. i did know there was a balinese name for it, but couldnt remember it. Do you have any idea of how the mount on the top should look like? The thing is, yes they are rare, once seen one, but much lowere quality than this one... and a sort of one, but not even to talk about quality in that one. So its realy difficult for me to find reference pics.. to get the thing complete. regards Michel Edit/PS btw i realy like the blackisch one.. iff ever for sale, or have other one.. pls let me know