Identify this dagger pls

Radu Transylvanicus · 8th May 2005, 09:25 AM

I couldnt agree more with Tom and Wolviex, I would doubt that of being Ottoman; it is European facture , looks much like the popular neo-classic revival hunting knives popular betwwen Victorian Era (short of terminology, second half of 19th century) to WW period... This is the more rare model, the "boar spear blade" (personal terminology here) versus the longer bladed "hanger", more like a short sword. It was likely made in the geographical area comprised between Germany and Russia, where they were quiet popular to my knowledge... Looking at the decorations and sheath it could be a limited issue to a forestry/ranger service or senior officers in a militia as it bears symbols but nothing seriously representative from a national or organisational heraldic point of view.
I would pompously declare it: Neo-Classical European hunting dirk, second half of 19th century.
Erlikhan: what is the grip made of ?! Considering your given profile, you would be able to say if a resin, bone or plastics.

wolviex · 8th May 2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Radu Transylvanicus

I would pompously declare it: Neo-Classical European hunting dirk, second half of 19th century.

Radu I have edited my post and I declare 1st half of the 19th century. This "heart-leaf-shaped ornament is called palmetta. I doubt it was made later when fashion has passed away

Regards

Radu Transylvanicus · 8th May 2005, 09:35 AM

Could very much be, Wolviex, I would rather consider it earliear than second half 19th then later than that...
Also here in USA, as Tom pertinently remarks, relatively similar knives were made and very many of them under direct or indirect German immigrants craftsmanship, a not to be taken lightly quantity or influence .

erlikhan · 8th May 2005, 12:25 PM

Thanks for the participations. Well, I havent seen this knife in real. Is offered in a Turkish auction site, and all I see are these pictures. I asked the seller about the material of the hilt, and his reply is" not ivory. Something like hard plastic". The answer brings another question, if such kinds of plastics were developed and used in weaponry not in 19th c. for sure, but at least, 1st quarter of 20th century or not. So?
regards

tom hyle · 8th May 2005, 03:03 PM

Well, the description and appearance could easily fit amber or celluloid, no?

Radu Transylvanicus · 8th May 2005, 06:11 PM

Early resinuos plastics or "archaic Plastics" were used even before that however not too long before 20th century and the technology was exlusivelly European at the time I think ...

8th May 2005, 09:25 AM	#1
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	I couldnt agree more with Tom and Wolviex, I would doubt that of being Ottoman; it is European facture , looks much like the popular neo-classic revival hunting knives popular betwwen Victorian Era (short of terminology, second half of 19th century) to WW period... This is the more rare model, the "boar spear blade" (personal terminology here) versus the longer bladed "hanger", more like a short sword. It was likely made in the geographical area comprised between Germany and Russia, where they were quiet popular to my knowledge... Looking at the decorations and sheath it could be a limited issue to a forestry/ranger service or senior officers in a militia as it bears symbols but nothing seriously representative from a national or organisational heraldic point of view. I would pompously declare it: Neo-Classical European hunting dirk, second half of 19th century. Erlikhan: what is the grip made of ?! Considering your given profile, you would be able to say if a resin, bone or plastics. Last edited by Radu Transylvanicus; 8th May 2005 at 09:49 AM.

8th May 2005, 09:35 AM	#3
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Could very much be, Wolviex, I would rather consider it earliear than second half 19th then later than that... Also here in USA, as Tom pertinently remarks, relatively similar knives were made and very many of them under direct or indirect German immigrants craftsmanship, a not to be taken lightly quantity or influence . Last edited by Radu Transylvanicus; 8th May 2005 at 09:49 AM.

8th May 2005, 12:25 PM	#4
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Thanks for the participations. Well, I havent seen this knife in real. Is offered in a Turkish auction site, and all I see are these pictures. I asked the seller about the material of the hilt, and his reply is" not ivory. Something like hard plastic". The answer brings another question, if such kinds of plastics were developed and used in weaponry not in 19th c. for sure, but at least, 1st quarter of 20th century or not. So? regards

8th May 2005, 03:03 PM	#5
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Well, the description and appearance could easily fit amber or celluloid, no?

8th May 2005, 06:11 PM	#6
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Early resinuos plastics or "archaic Plastics" were used even before that however not too long before 20th century and the technology was exlusivelly European at the time I think ...