Identification needed - Borneo ?

kai · 18th July 2009, 11:41 PM

Hello Erik,

Sorry, I also don't know where this may come from.

I'm fairly sure this isn't a traditional SE Asian design though - even if it may have some age.

Any signs for a reattached hilt? (That pommel looks upside down to me.)

Regards,
Kai

asomotif · 18th July 2009, 11:59 PM

Hello Erik,

The inlayed stars could indicate Borneo origin of the blade.

Is the blade concave / convex as a mandau ?

The handle is bone ? Not stag ?
That seems quite unusual if you think of Borneo.

erikscollectables · 19th July 2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Hello Erik,

The inlayed stars could indicate Borneo origin of the blade.

Is the blade concave / convex as a mandau ?

The handle is bone ? Not stag ?
That seems quite unusual if you think of Borneo.

The handle might be stag I am not sure how to tell.
The blade I had not looked to be honest but now I see one side of the blade is flat where the other side is convex and maybe also a bit concave but it is only 20 cm so not a big blade like a mandau...

Regards, Erik

VVV · 19th July 2009, 11:56 AM

This is a tricky old blade to figure out.
It doesn´t look like a Borneo composition to me and it could be a broken Visayan swordblade that was remade to a knife?
The "stars" could, except Borneo, also be southern Philippines?
For sure the position of the "star" closest to the hilt isn´t where you would usually find it on a mandau blade.

Michael

Mytribalworld · 19th July 2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

This is a tricky old blade to figure out.
It doesn´t look like a Borneo composition to me and it could be a broken Visayan swordblade that was remade to a knife?
The "stars" could, except Borneo, also be southern Philippines?
For sure the position of the "star" closest to the hilt isn´t where you would usually find it on a mandau blade.

Michael

Agree with Michael,The stars are to small for a mandau , I vote for the end of a kampilanblade and the whole set up could be a philippine knife.

Arjan

erikscollectables · 21st July 2009, 05:44 PM

Thanks guys!

This is totally out of my field so thanks for the input!

Regards, Erik

Tim Simmons · 21st July 2009, 08:20 PM

What is happening where I have marked? What do these copper inserts look like on the back of the blade? Is this a modified blade? I hate saying that kind of thing but this does look to me, some kind of Indonesian or Borneo product. It could be Indochina? I do believe freddy post a knife with very similar handle amd blade some years ago.

erikscollectables · 19th July 2009, 07:41 AM

I was thinking the same about the hilt. But there are no signs of it being re attached. I think all pieces of the dagger are really quite old - more than a century old at least. It might be european for all I know...

Erik

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Erik,

Sorry, I also don't know where this may come from.

I'm fairly sure this isn't a traditional SE Asian design though - even if it may have some age.

Any signs for a reattached hilt? (That pommel looks upside down to me.)

Regards,
Kai

21st July 2009, 08:20 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	What is happening where I have marked? What do these copper inserts look like on the back of the blade? Is this a modified blade? I hate saying that kind of thing but this does look to me, some kind of Indonesian or Borneo product. It could be Indochina? I do believe freddy post a knife with very similar handle amd blade some years ago. Attached Images

18th July 2009, 11:41 PM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Erik, Sorry, I also don't know where this may come from. I'm fairly sure this isn't a traditional SE Asian design though - even if it may have some age. Any signs for a reattached hilt? (That pommel looks upside down to me.) Regards, Kai

18th July 2009, 11:59 PM	#2
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Hello Erik, The inlayed stars could indicate Borneo origin of the blade. Is the blade concave / convex as a mandau ? The handle is bone ? Not stag ? That seems quite unusual if you think of Borneo.

19th July 2009, 11:56 AM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	This is a tricky old blade to figure out. It doesn´t look like a Borneo composition to me and it could be a broken Visayan swordblade that was remade to a knife? The "stars" could, except Borneo, also be southern Philippines? For sure the position of the "star" closest to the hilt isn´t where you would usually find it on a mandau blade. Michael

21st July 2009, 05:44 PM	#6
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Thanks guys! This is totally out of my field so thanks for the input! Regards, Erik