Eastern Java / Madura kris - Empu Tandju Bari?

David · 16th July 2009, 04:52 AM

Forgive me Alan, but you seem to have reversed the orientation of the blade during your photoshopping so i took another crack at it.

A. G. Maisey · 16th July 2009, 05:15 AM

Yes David, I reversed it --- intentionally.

If I had not reversed it it would be back to front, and impossible to properly view.

You see, when you learn all this tangguh and appraisal stuff, you develop something like a set of templates in your mind, so that in order to look at a keris and form any sort of supportable opinion you measure the image against the template that is in your mind.

What I did with the original image was to manipulate it into an orientation where a proper assessment could be made.

In fact, I often do this with published images of keris before I give an opinion, but I have not previously published or explained this.

David · 16th July 2009, 05:33 AM

You know Alan, i suspected that this was your reasoning and certainly completely valid in that context. But i am afraid that it upset my own personal "photojournalist's ethic of reality" so i just had to present the "correct" orientation.

A. G. Maisey · 16th July 2009, 07:07 AM

Yep. I can understand that David.

Ethically, my manipulation sucks, but for the purposes of keris evaluation, its the only one possible.

erikscollectables · 17th July 2009, 12:14 AM

Alan many thanks for the information on the keris.
I also learned again from the discussion around how to keep the keris to study it. I did not know something as basic as that yet.

Regards, Erik

16th July 2009, 04:52 AM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Forgive me Alan, but you seem to have reversed the orientation of the blade during your photoshopping so i took another crack at it. Attached Images

16th July 2009, 05:15 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yes David, I reversed it --- intentionally. If I had not reversed it it would be back to front, and impossible to properly view. You see, when you learn all this tangguh and appraisal stuff, you develop something like a set of templates in your mind, so that in order to look at a keris and form any sort of supportable opinion you measure the image against the template that is in your mind. What I did with the original image was to manipulate it into an orientation where a proper assessment could be made. In fact, I often do this with published images of keris before I give an opinion, but I have not previously published or explained this.

16th July 2009, 05:33 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	You know Alan, i suspected that this was your reasoning and certainly completely valid in that context. But i am afraid that it upset my own personal "photojournalist's ethic of reality" so i just had to present the "correct" orientation.

16th July 2009, 07:07 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yep. I can understand that David. Ethically, my manipulation sucks, but for the purposes of keris evaluation, its the only one possible.

17th July 2009, 12:14 AM	#5
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Alan many thanks for the information on the keris. I also learned again from the discussion around how to keep the keris to study it. I did not know something as basic as that yet. Regards, Erik