Question about Bugis hilts

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Dear Sajen,

Your first hilt, IMHO, is not Bugis hilt. It is Sumbawa hilt. Sumbawa has similar warangka as Bugis, but different hilt (cf "Keris di Lombok" book, by Lalu Djelenga)

GANJAWULUNG

Dear Ganja,

when so many people think that it is a Sumbawa hilt it will be like this. But isn't the Sumbawa kris not also strongly influenced by Bugis?
But nevertheless thank you very much for give me the exacly origin of this hilt.

sajen

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Sajen

when so many people think that it is a Sumbawa hilt it will be like this. But isn't the Sumbawa kris not also strongly influenced by Bugis?
But nevertheless thank you very much for give me the exacly origin of this hilt.

According to Ir Lalu Djelenga's note ("Keris di Lombok", 1994, 2000) there was close relation between Lombok (Bali and Lombok -- or Gelgel, according to Djelenga's note) and kerajaan (kingdom) of Gowa in Sulawesi or Celebes. Particularly after The Dutch (I prefer to say it was European multi-national Company of Verenigde Oost Indische Compagnie or VOC) dominated Batavia (Jakarta now) since 1602.

Then Gowa, according to Djelenga (he is from noble blood of Lombok), was increasing good political relation with Selaparang (Lombok), Sumbawa, Bima, Dompu until Manggarai (in Eastern Nusa Tenggara). Then in March 16, 1624 there was a treaty between these powers, they called it Saganing Treaty. And a Gowa Prince, Mas Pamayan or Pemban Mas Aji Komala, was appointed as a Prince or Governor in the name of Gowa in the western part of Sumbawa, since November 30, 1648...

Dear Sajen, these pictures below -- hopefully -- with the same style of your "Sumbawa" ivory hilt. I have two of these kinds, one with carvings and the other without carving...

GANJAWULUNG

[ganjawulung]

More example on such kind of hilt...

GANJAWULUNG

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

According to Ir Lalu Djelenga's note ("Keris di Lombok", 1994, 2000) there was close relation between Lombok (Bali and Lombok -- or Gelgel, according to Djelenga's note) and kerajaan (kingdom) of Gowa in Sulawesi or Celebes. Particularly after The Dutch (I prefer to say it was European multi-national Company of Verenigde Oost Indische Compagnie or VOC) dominated Batavia (Jakarta now) since 1602.

Then Gowa, according to Djelenga (he is from noble blood of Lombok), was increasing good political relation with Selaparang (Lombok), Sumbawa, Bima, Dompu until Manggarai (in Eastern Nusa Tenggara). Then in March 16, 1624 there was a treaty between these powers, they called it Saganing Treaty. And a Gowa Prince, Mas Pamayan or Pemban Mas Aji Komala, was appointed as a Prince or Governor in the name of Gowa in the western part of Sumbawa, since November 30, 1648...

Dear Sajen, these pictures below -- hopefully -- with the same style of your "Sumbawa" ivory hilt. I have two of these kinds, one with carvings and the other without carving...

GANJAWULUNG

Dear Ganja,

thank you very much for this background information. I also have the book from Ir Lalu Djelenga but my bahasa Indonesia is not good enough to understand all well as you.
BTW, very nice hilts you have there.

Kind regards,

sajen