Moro Sulu Sultanate Flag with Kris and Spear

migueldiaz · 13th July 2009, 05:58 AM

Nice flag

What do the five stars represent?

There's a lot of Sulu flags in this website, for comparison purposes.

Robert · 13th July 2009, 06:41 AM

Migueldiaz,
The website you have linked in your post states what I have heard before about the stars, that they represent the five territories of the Sultanate of Sulu. I have no idea if this is correct or not.

Robert

migueldiaz · 13th July 2009, 06:56 AM

Thanks Robert!

Now there's a certain "Ron Z" mentioned in one of the webpages there, as being the resource person. Maybe somebody knows him?

The website says he owns the kris below:

Battara · 13th July 2009, 11:22 PM

Thank you - as far as the other side is concerned, I will try to get a picture of the other side.

As far as Ron Z is concerned, he is Spunger. However, the story if the 5 stars being the provinces of the Sulu Sultanate is in another source as well. I go with this story as well.

Another note, most of the flags like this have straight kris, this one has a wavy bladed kris. The only one of this type of flag I have seen so far.

David · 14th July 2009, 12:28 AM

Nice flag José, and as you point out, even rarer with the wavy kris. Thanks for the flag link Miguel. It is interesting to look at the pre-American colony flags. Obviously these ones with the field of stars is somewhat based on the American flag which intrigues me since the Americans were obviously the enemy of the Moros. Why copy your enemy's flag?

Battara · 14th July 2009, 01:32 AM

If I am not mistaken the Sultan of Sulu at this time sided with the might of the US, though some broke away from this decision as demonstrated by the Battle of Bud Badsak in 1915.

I must make a correction - after looking again at Paolo's site, half the battle flags like mine have a wavy bladed kris in them after all.

migueldiaz · 14th July 2009, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Nice flag José, and as you point out, even rarer with the wavy kris. Thanks for the flag link Miguel. It is interesting to look at the pre-American colony flags. Obviously these ones with the field of stars is somewhat based on the American flag which intrigues me since the Americans were obviously the enemy of the Moros. Why copy your enemy's flag?

I think it was a love-hate relationship that existed between the two.

Thus the American flag-inspired version of the Sulu flag must have been crafted during the love phase of the relationship

Dimasalang · 14th July 2009, 09:38 PM

Nice find on ebay! Wish I could be so lucky.
I think the white sphere is a UFO.

migueldiaz · 15th July 2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

However, the story if the 5 stars being the provinces of the Sulu Sultanate is in another source as well. I go with this story as well.

Thanks for the comment.

On a lighter note, I don't think that my imagined scenario below would be far-fetched

Ferguson · 16th July 2009, 02:12 PM

Jose, that's a really nice flag. You were quite fortunate to win it.
Thanks for sharing with us!

STeve

13th July 2009, 06:56 AM	#3
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Thanks Robert! Now there's a certain "Ron Z" mentioned in one of the webpages there, as being the resource person. Maybe somebody knows him? The website says he owns the kris below: Attached Images

13th July 2009, 05:58 AM	#1
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Nice flag What do the five stars represent? There's a lot of Sulu flags in this website, for comparison purposes.

13th July 2009, 06:41 AM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Migueldiaz, The website you have linked in your post states what I have heard before about the stars, that they represent the five territories of the Sultanate of Sulu. I have no idea if this is correct or not. Robert

13th July 2009, 11:22 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Thank you - as far as the other side is concerned, I will try to get a picture of the other side. As far as Ron Z is concerned, he is Spunger. However, the story if the 5 stars being the provinces of the Sulu Sultanate is in another source as well. I go with this story as well. Another note, most of the flags like this have straight kris, this one has a wavy bladed kris. The only one of this type of flag I have seen so far.

14th July 2009, 12:28 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Nice flag José, and as you point out, even rarer with the wavy kris. Thanks for the flag link Miguel. It is interesting to look at the pre-American colony flags. Obviously these ones with the field of stars is somewhat based on the American flag which intrigues me since the Americans were obviously the enemy of the Moros. Why copy your enemy's flag?

14th July 2009, 01:32 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	If I am not mistaken the Sultan of Sulu at this time sided with the might of the US, though some broke away from this decision as demonstrated by the Battle of Bud Badsak in 1915. I must make a correction - after looking again at Paolo's site, half the battle flags like mine have a wavy bladed kris in them after all.

14th July 2009, 09:38 PM	#8
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Nice find on ebay! Wish I could be so lucky. I think the white sphere is a UFO.

16th July 2009, 02:12 PM	#10
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Jose, that's a really nice flag. You were quite fortunate to win it. Thanks for sharing with us! STeve