That Indian Jambiya, restored: For comments

[Steve]

Gene,
I think you've done an excellent job. You can have a go at some of mine anytime. I note you mentioned previously about the nice finish at the end of the chape. It's not a thum (garlic) as with some arabic scabbards but, I think, a bud in keeping witht the indian floral decorations.
Good one.
Regards,
Steve

[kahnjar1]

A superb job Gene. I'm most impressed!! As to no market for it, I personally have my doubts!
Regards Stuart

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

A superb job Gene. I'm most impressed!! As to no market for it, I personally have my doubts!
Regards Stuart

Cheers Stuart, do you aprove of the colour?

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Cheers Stuart, do you aprove of the colour?

Absolutely!! It looks great!!

[Jens Nordlunde]

Gene,

Don’t forget; there has been an intensive trade from the Arabian Peninsula to India, and from India to Java, Borneo, Sumatra, Malaya, Vietnam and other places, like China. This was done by ship and caravan, and from the first centuries if not before. With the trade came the settlers, and with them their influence, when it comes to weapon, art and other things.

Jens

[Jens Nordlunde]

I have been corrected, as there was no catalogue, which I said there was, it is a book with the items mentioned, and in BL the Oriental Reading Rooms are the pictures referred to in the text - sorry.
However, in Elgood's book The Arms and Armour of Arabia, p 86, illustrations #9.31 and 9.33, he shows two such daggers. One is referred to come from Western India and the other is said to be from Bhuj, which is as close as you can get to Kutch.
In the text on the same page the author writes, "The very best janabi and nimsha blades were imported into the Hadhramaut from Hyderabad where they were made and were simply referred to as 'Haidarabad'".

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Gene,

Don’t forget; there has been an intensive trade from the Arabian Peninsula to India, and from India to Java, Borneo, Sumatra, Malaya, Vietnam and other places, like China. This was done by ship and caravan, and from the first centuries if not before. With the trade came the settlers, and with them their influence, when it comes to weapon, art and other things.

Jens

HI Jens,

Of course you are completely right about the cross trade and influence, and I'm sure we've all pondered (and in fact in many cases discussed here) the origins of weapons, their influences and tried to understand the nature of their evolution.
But in this case what has 'struck' me, is that daggers of this shape are usually (in my very limited experience of Arab daggers) quite 'regimented' in their design, following seemingly 'set' rules of design and decoration.
I always assumed that those rules were in part to do with a strict interpretaion of Islamic guidlines on the realistic depiction of living things.
Clearly many strict muslim artists do create designs which follow a foliate or floral theme, but its not usual for the those designs to be 'actual flora' but rather geometric interpretations of their metaphysical inner nature.
So I found myself wondering if this dagger would appeal to Arabic buyers over a more traditional and acceptable alternative.
Which in turn led me to wonder if it was made to cater to a 'home grown' Indian market.
I Don't have Elgood Any chance of a clipped picture?
Many Thanks
Gene

[Atlantia]

Steve,
Here are those close-ups.
Thanks again
gene

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Steve

Gene,
I think you've done an excellent job. You can have a go at some of mine anytime. I note you mentioned previously about the nice finish at the end of the chape. It's not a thum (garlic) as with some arabic scabbards but, I think, a bud in keeping witht the indian floral decorations.
Good one.
Regards,
Steve

Thanks again mate, I'll try and get a good close-up of the chape end and post it