Arquebuses 1460-1480

Spiridonov · 27th June 2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi Spiridonov,

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Best,
Michael

It is a tragegy for me!!! I can't read this post. I see only :"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

Matchlock · 28th June 2009, 01:46 PM

Please try this:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search.php?searchid=12168

This should work!

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 28th June 2009, 05:06 PM

The lock plate und butt trap cover missing, the wrought iron barrel ca. 1470-80, the sling hook now loose.

Michael

Spiridonov · 28th June 2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

The lock plate und butt trap cover missing, the wrought iron barrel ca. 1470-80, the sling hook now loose.

Michael

I was saw another date of this arquebuse. About 1500

Matchlock · 28th June 2009, 05:24 PM

I know.

All I can do is give a date as close and correct as possible by my experience; I have never seen a complete lock plate (which the recess in the stock proves this piece originally was equipped with) or a butt trap or a thumb recess in historic sources that could be dated any earlier.

As I have stated, the barrel is some 30-40 years older and has been restocked during its working time.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 28th June 2009, 05:36 PM

Preserved there are 18 of them!

The barrels are somewhat older than their present stocks, ca. 1480.

Michael

Spiridonov · 28th June 2009, 05:39 PM

This arquebus (at top) is dating as 1500. This (below) you date as 1470-80. They are very VERY similar. Why there is a difference of 20-30 years?

Matchlock · 29th June 2009, 03:14 PM

Very good question!

Basically, the lower (in my opinion slightly earlier) one seems to have no foresight yet.

I agree with you that these differences are very minor and more or less academic. All in all we may attribute a probable dating range of "ca. 1480-1500" to both of them, including the Vienna sample, with a higher probablity towards 1500 for all.

In contrast, the Copenhagen piece clearly features an older barrel with shifted planes in the rear section and a pronouncedly swamped muzzle head (ca. 1470-80) that has been restocked in what is most probably the second decade of the 16th century.

Michael

28th June 2009, 05:06 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Stocked Haquebut, ca. 1515, at The Tojhusmuseet Copenhagen The lock plate und butt trap cover missing, the wrought iron barrel ca. 1470-80, the sling hook now loose. Michael Attached Images

28th June 2009, 05:36 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Stocked Haquebuts of ca. 1510-20 at The Town Hall of Retz, Lower Austria Preserved there are 18 of them! The barrels are somewhat older than their present stocks, ca. 1480. Michael Attached Images

28th June 2009, 05:39 PM	#7
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	This arquebus (at top) is dating as 1500. This (below) you date as 1470-80. They are very VERY similar. Why there is a difference of 20-30 years? Attached Images

28th June 2009, 01:46 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Please try this: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search.php?searchid=12168 This should work! Best, Michael

28th June 2009, 05:24 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I know. All I can do is give a date as close and correct as possible by my experience; I have never seen a complete lock plate (which the recess in the stock proves this piece originally was equipped with) or a butt trap or a thumb recess in historic sources that could be dated any earlier. As I have stated, the barrel is some 30-40 years older and has been restocked during its working time. Best, Michael

29th June 2009, 03:14 PM	#8
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Very good question! Basically, the lower (in my opinion slightly earlier) one seems to have no foresight yet. I agree with you that these differences are very minor and more or less academic. All in all we may attribute a probable dating range of "ca. 1480-1500" to both of them, including the Vienna sample, with a higher probablity towards 1500 for all. In contrast, the Copenhagen piece clearly features an older barrel with shifted planes in the rear section and a pronouncedly swamped muzzle head (ca. 1470-80) that has been restocked in what is most probably the second decade of the 16th century. Michael