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			Hi Spiridonov, 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	To see a list of my previous posts, mostly on earliest firearms and related accouterments (5 pages), please click here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search.php?searchid=12050 Best, Michael  | 
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			Please try this: 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search.php?searchid=12168 This should work!   Best, Michael  | 
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			The lock plate und butt trap cover missing, the wrought iron barrel ca. 1470-80, the sling hook now loose. 
		
		
		
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			I know.  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	  All I can do is give a date as close and correct as possible by my experience; I have never seen a complete lock plate (which the recess in the stock proves this piece originally was equipped with) or a butt trap or a thumb recess in historic sources that could be dated any earlier. As I have stated, the barrel is some 30-40 years older and has been restocked during its working time. Best, Michael  | 
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			Preserved there are 18 of them! 
		
		
		
			The barrels are somewhat older than their present stocks, ca. 1480. Michael  | 
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			This arquebus (at top) is dating as 1500. This (below) you date as 1470-80. They are very VERY similar. Why there is a difference of 20-30 years?
		 
		
		
		
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