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Old 23rd June 2009, 02:17 PM   #1
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I'm pretty sure these would rate on the weird list and they are users.

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Old 23rd June 2009, 04:34 PM   #2
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that tis but a child's bat'leth

similar to the one used here in london
by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.
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Old 24th June 2009, 12:16 PM   #3
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Old 24th June 2009, 05:12 PM   #4
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that tis but a child's bat'leth

similar to the one used here in london
by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.
While we joke about it, it does make you wonder how far back such goofy blades go.

I'm not talking about the Chinese wheel weapons, exactly. I've got a pair of modern deer horn knives myself, and once upon a time I even learned a set for them. The martial artist who made those famous (Dong Hai Chuan, founder of baguazhang) worked as a tax collector in China, and he carried a pair of deer-horn knives prominently wherever he went. People knew of him by reputation, and knew about those knives, and (apparently) didn't give him much trouble. That's a useful kind of weapon.

No, I'm more thinking of things like that bat'leth, which is basically an art-piece turned into a mass-produced "martial arts" weapon, whether it's useful or not.

How long has this kind of thing been going on? How often were smiths inspired by some story or picture or other to make a weapon? Or how about those Chinese weapons that incorporate seven stars, rings, multiple tips and piercings, because one of the heroes in The Water Margin carried a sword like that? Has anyone got an old example?

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That policemans expression is so cool you might even think he has been practasing in the mirror. No he has been dealing with scummers for too long and seen it all before.
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That policemans expression is so cool you might even think he has been practasing in the mirror. No he has been dealing with scummers for too long and seen it all before.
Yeah Tim, i think he's probably thinking something like, "Really...you're using a Klingon weapon....seriously???"
Is this how they get around the sword ban in England? Fantasy alien weapons?
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that tis but a child's bat'leth

similar to the one used here in london
by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.
"Don't let me catch you with one of these . "
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Old 25th June 2009, 09:55 AM   #8
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in actuality, someone was caught robbing a convenience store with that, the police of course confiscated it. i understand two seven-elevens in the states were similarly robbed with bat'leths. obviously a major crime wave.
there is a variant called the sword of kahless that even more resembles the chinese single handed form, in that it also has a central point and a sigle hand grip area.


i think someone on the star trek team must have visited an indian arms and armour museum, there are so many odd and unusual forms there including double ended. the chinese run a close second also. maybe a pre-industrial asian visit by klingon's

i'd not be surprised at a similar ancient form.
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Old 25th June 2009, 08:50 PM   #9
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Any credit card you might have with a sharpened edge.

Hugely popular amongst the criminal population of Russia.

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Old 25th June 2009, 09:14 PM   #10
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in actuality, someone was caught robbing a convenience store with that, the police of course confiscated it. i understand two seven-elevens in the states were similarly robbed with bat'leths. obviously a major crime wave.
there is a variant called the sword of kahless that even more resembles the chinese single handed form, in that it also has a central point and a sigle hand grip area.

i think someone on the star trek team must have visited an indian arms and armour museum, there are so many odd and unusual forms there including double ended. the chinese run a close second also. maybe a pre-industrial asian visit by klingon's

i'd not be surprised at a similar ancient form.
Hi Kronckew,

I'd guess Chinese. Most of the Star Trek people are based in California, especially LA and San Francisco. There's a thriving Chinese martial arts community here, but not a lot of Indian martial arts or their weapons. Based on simple proximity, I'd guess Chinese influences first.

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Hi Kronckew,

I'd guess Chinese. Most of the Star Trek people are based in California, especially LA and San Francisco. There's a thriving Chinese martial arts community here, but not a lot of Indian martial arts or their weapons. Based on simple proximity, I'd guess Chinese influences first.

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No intention to drag this further off topic from the original "weirdest blades" but it does seem that while Chinese, Japanese, and Korean arts have had their big boom, with Filipino arts coming close behind now... Indian and Indonesian martial arts haven't really grown in great popularity ..or at least are just beginning to. Ten years ago I've heard of Taekwondo, Mantis boxing, Wing Chun, Aikido, Jujutsu, etc. but not Arnis or Kali until a few years ago.. and I did not hear of any Silat in the Western World until more recently... and even more recently Kalaripayattu, Shastar Vidiya, and "Gatka". But now there's Maul Mornie (Silat Suffian Bela Diri) touring the world, teaching classes... there's a few Silat teachers in the US. There's Pencak Silat Sunda that is open for international students... Kalaripayattu schools are opening across southern India, and I believe one in Germany. And while the sparring-based Gatka has been around, Nihang Niddar Singh (Shaster Vidiya) is now teaching martial arts in the UK. Of course these arts have been around in their respective locations, but as for dissemination into the wider world, many did not until recently.

Very cool. Now... back on topic...
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